[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

Albert Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Fri Feb 4 18:20:44 UTC 2011

Isky, you aren't getting my complaints second hand. You read the same
thing everyone else reads. You're making it sound like I'm talking
about you behind your back, when I'm emailing a public mailing list.

In fact, there's a lot in your email that's abrasive. I don't have
"'project' tatooed to my eyelids". I'm not "too busy trying to make
people cry in the first place". And since I'm one of them, not all of
the "naysayers" are just the "haters who come in once every two
weeks." I'm not going to call everyone who disagrees with me names and
not address their points. I want this discussion to take place.

In the last several months, I've seen you pushing a broom or at the
sewing machines a couple times. And I haven't seen you playing video
games or napping on the couches for the last few weeks. But most of
the time I've seen you just hanging out. And the emphasis is on
"most", a majority.

The tone in your email matches the conversations I've had with you,
and the ones that I've seen others have with you: dismissive,
sometimes tense, and sometimes more than just tense.

This is what I mean when I say you blow off people's protests.


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Isky Wordsworth <dejaepu at gmail.com> wrote:
> oh my god Noisebridge, I love you, I'm in tears I've been laughing so hard,
> as is almost always the case, this is going much better than I expected,
> naysayers: you think EYE AM unproductive? Do i spend hours every day shit
> talking people on the internet? No, i walk around my world, including
> noisebridge, making people feel better about their day and showing them
> where to find the things they need cause you're all sitting here foaming at
> the mouth getting your keyboards all soggy, when have I EVER been in your
> way? shut up and hack.
> not to mention to the people always trying to push everyone around (i admit
> some need to be pushed a little, though I'm trying to convince you I'm not
> the sort), do you have any idea how many people have cried on my shoulders
> in YOUR hackerspace? do you know how nice it feels to be there as a
> completely positive supportive emotional resource for another hacker? or are
> ya too busy trying to make them cry in the first place?
> yaysayers: PLEASE! feel free to leave me more kind words, you guys have had
> me giggling and feeling nice all evening,
> @Patrick... wHat?!?! are you Completely sightless? almost everything
> you perceive is completely inverted and confounding, are you getting your
> information out of a random sentence generator? Me Antisocial? and What's
> all this about permission? What am i running a kindergarten in Turing? quit
> coming over to me to tell me five times that you're older than me and that
> you're afraid to talk to my friends because "it's inappropriate for a male
> of my age to talk to a female of that age", where are you getting this
> stuff?
> @Andy
> "I have tried to talk to Isky about this issue.  He's been unwilling to
> communicate about it."
> Andy, we have exchanged maybe thirty sentences ever, in like two
> conversations, initiated by me (in which you've been incredibly helpful,
> thank you!). Otherwise, we seem to have mutally avoided interaction more
> thoroughly than i thought possible. What are you talking about?When did you
> ever ask me about the computer? It's perfectly possible that i forgot. in
> that case I'm sorry for seeming to have avoided the subject, its not
> something I wanted to upset anyone over.
> " I have heard from at least two other community
> members who've also tried to discuss it with him and gotten blown off."
> Shannon and another have both advised me to "move it", i engaged them both
> in a logistical conversation of where and for what purpose and neither could
> come up with enough to want to continue the conversation with me, which i
> was not done talking about, effectively, in fact blowing ME off! To be
> frank! I am sick of you people blowing me off all the time! Find someone
> else next time you're in the mood. Worrying about when you'll get to blow me
> off again
> all the time must be exhausting and there MUST be SOMETHING else you enjoy
> doing...?
> AND YOU TWO, please don't confuse a SUGGESTION with a REQUEST, I have never
> been asked to move my computer. It's a total of 4 people it bothers, and
> those 4 people are rarely in the space! Yet when they finally come around
> they spend their time having a tantrum about me off completely out of the
> way of anything they could be doing?
> @Al
> man, why do i never get to hear any of this out of mouth? i always got to
> read your frustration second hand,
>  how are organizing/cleaning the kitchen, cooking with/for people, making
> tea for everyone, repairing shirts, jackets, headphones, &laptops, spreading
> the word of hackerspaces, running the lockpicking class three weeks in a
> row, making sure as many people as i can affect (who havent already decided
> im their mortal enemy) are smiling/laughing, teaching people how to
> solder/use the sewing machine/repair their stuff/speak spanish/make a decent
> bowl of labne etc not legitimate projects? what the fuck is a fucking
> project?? Albert have you have got that word tattooed to your eyelids? has
> it completely lost its meaning? i dont understand what parameters it
> defines, do i need to build a 1:1 Hanging Gardens of Babylon out of macaroni
> sculpture to impress you? if not so extreme, why draw a line at all?
> I'd like to have my word taken when I say that I ALWAYS ask if I can get out
> of the way of anyone whom i look like i even might be in the way of. Not ot
> mention CONSTANTLY asking people what i can help them with around the space.
> I am a very thoughtful, purposefully conscientious and attemptedly
> empathetic participant of the space. Because of my extraversion disease, I
> can't not engage lost looking people and I'm a big reason people ever find
> the classrooms in the first place! I've given more tours, found more
> needed/lost tools, washed more dishes, and swept more floors at noisebridge
> than anyone in the last few months ('cept Al). You haters come in once every
> two weeks and see me looking out the window for a minute, you make a mental
> note of it, convince yourself that i haven't done an ounce of helping
> anybody ever over and over until you can't remember what it was that you
> were actually mad about and then blog about it? Sounds super productive!
> Who exactly avoids turing because I'm in there? All the people who've come
> to it looking like they wanted to stay for more than a minute did, and all
> who didn't didn't, can we stop speculating? seriously point them out, have
> them ask me to stop being so scary/smelly/vicious/satanically unpleasant to
> be around while I'm doing my french homework/ or playing trackmania so
> AntaGoNizIngly. Do you have any idea how many people were thankful there was
> a computer sitting there for them to be able to participate in the class
> with (the 88% of the time the computer is freely available as first come
> first serve)?
> ah fuck, look what you made me do, wall of text when i could be sleeping,
> whoops
> Isky <3's you noisebridge. Sorry for partying.
> save the disc list for interesting, new, at least slightly informative
> topics
> instead of smearing (my) name/s around in a circle all day every day XD
> oh and Liz I'd love to help teach that class,
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:41 AM, aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> The fundamental fallacy with declaring excellence is that, because
>> everyone has a different view, any action has both excellence and
>> un-excellent qualities to it. I feel one of the points of us using this as
>> our one "rule" is to help remind people that in knee-deep drama, there
>> always *is* a positive way to look at things.
>> This also means that, even if we got the entire membership to agree on
>> something, or even communicate with each other at all, it would be forced
>> and trite at best. Further, some people would feel pressured to "agree" by
>> others, and rather than voicing their actual opinion they'd go along with
>> the crowd to avoid conflict.
>> In any case, what I feel is most excellent right now is finishing my
>> ice-cream while listening to Mozart and watching porn, and enjoying majestic
>> mental images.
>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> * Isky isn't on trial. Some people have a problem with his behavior
>>> and are discussing it on the email list. That's all.
>>> * This is specifically about Isky, and specifically about him keeping
>>> his desktop in the Turing classroom on a long term basis.
>>> * Personally, I think if the membership came together, decided if
>>> keeping personal desktops in the classrooms was excellent behavior or
>>> not with everyone having an equal say, and then wrote this decision
>>> down, we could avoid a lot of drama. Otherwise this email thread will
>>> continue until everyone is emotionally drained, nothing will be
>>> resolved, and this or a problem like it will flare up again in a few
>>> months.
>>> -Al
>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Urgh... I can't beleive I'm getting sucked in to drama, but...
>>> >
>>> > Seriously is Isky on trial or something?  Is he Mubarak?   If we are
>>> > talking
>>> > about Isky in a huge email drama thread, then who else are we going to
>>> > talk
>>> > about next???   Noisebridge is and should be an open space for people
>>> > to
>>> > interact in their own ways.  I realize that people are coming forward
>>> > to
>>> > defend him, but he shouldn't /have/ to be defended.
>>> >
>>> > Shunning people from noisebridge because the don't fit a social mold
>>> > will
>>> > only ensure the alienation of the best and brightest.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>    isky shares his computer with others, and seems to
>>> >>> me pretty freely.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> We don't have rules, but it seems like the general pattern in the past
>>> >> has
>>> >> been "Keep your stuff on your shelf, or, if it doesn't fit on your
>>> >> shelf,
>>> >> label it."  A shuttle PC will fit on a shelf, easily.
>>> >> It seems like there's another underlying issue people are skirting
>>> >> around,
>>> >> which is that Isky is constantly at the space, and rarely seems to be
>>> >> doing
>>> >> anything beyond hanging out.
>>> >> --
>>> >> Josh Myer 415.230.9791 <-- NOTE: New number!
>>> >>  josh at joshisanerd.com
>>> >>
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