[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

jim jim at well.com
Fri Feb 4 18:29:25 UTC 2011


    your email seems well said in the main. 

    still, why can't you drop this campaign? please 
explain. 


On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 10:20 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> Isky, you aren't getting my complaints second hand. You read the same
> thing everyone else reads. You're making it sound like I'm talking
> about you behind your back, when I'm emailing a public mailing list.
> 
> In fact, there's a lot in your email that's abrasive. I don't have
> "'project' tatooed to my eyelids". I'm not "too busy trying to make
> people cry in the first place". And since I'm one of them, not all of
> the "naysayers" are just the "haters who come in once every two
> weeks." I'm not going to call everyone who disagrees with me names and
> not address their points. I want this discussion to take place.
> 
> In the last several months, I've seen you pushing a broom or at the
> sewing machines a couple times. And I haven't seen you playing video
> games or napping on the couches for the last few weeks. But most of
> the time I've seen you just hanging out. And the emphasis is on
> "most", a majority.
> 
> The tone in your email matches the conversations I've had with you,
> and the ones that I've seen others have with you: dismissive,
> sometimes tense, and sometimes more than just tense.
> 
> This is what I mean when I say you blow off people's protests.
> 
> -Al
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Isky Wordsworth <dejaepu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > oh my god Noisebridge, I love you, I'm in tears I've been laughing so hard,
> > as is almost always the case, this is going much better than I expected,
> > naysayers: you think EYE AM unproductive? Do i spend hours every day shit
> > talking people on the internet? No, i walk around my world, including
> > noisebridge, making people feel better about their day and showing them
> > where to find the things they need cause you're all sitting here foaming at
> > the mouth getting your keyboards all soggy, when have I EVER been in your
> > way? shut up and hack.
> > not to mention to the people always trying to push everyone around (i admit
> > some need to be pushed a little, though I'm trying to convince you I'm not
> > the sort), do you have any idea how many people have cried on my shoulders
> > in YOUR hackerspace? do you know how nice it feels to be there as a
> > completely positive supportive emotional resource for another hacker? or are
> > ya too busy trying to make them cry in the first place?
> > yaysayers: PLEASE! feel free to leave me more kind words, you guys have had
> > me giggling and feeling nice all evening,
> >
> > @Patrick... wHat?!?! are you Completely sightless? almost everything
> > you perceive is completely inverted and confounding, are you getting your
> > information out of a random sentence generator? Me Antisocial? and What's
> > all this about permission? What am i running a kindergarten in Turing? quit
> > coming over to me to tell me five times that you're older than me and that
> > you're afraid to talk to my friends because "it's inappropriate for a male
> > of my age to talk to a female of that age", where are you getting this
> > stuff?
> > @Andy
> >
> > "I have tried to talk to Isky about this issue.  He's been unwilling to
> > communicate about it."
> >
> > Andy, we have exchanged maybe thirty sentences ever, in like two
> > conversations, initiated by me (in which you've been incredibly helpful,
> > thank you!). Otherwise, we seem to have mutally avoided interaction more
> > thoroughly than i thought possible. What are you talking about?When did you
> > ever ask me about the computer? It's perfectly possible that i forgot. in
> > that case I'm sorry for seeming to have avoided the subject, its not
> > something I wanted to upset anyone over.
> >
> > " I have heard from at least two other community
> >
> > members who've also tried to discuss it with him and gotten blown off."
> > Shannon and another have both advised me to "move it", i engaged them both
> > in a logistical conversation of where and for what purpose and neither could
> > come up with enough to want to continue the conversation with me, which i
> > was not done talking about, effectively, in fact blowing ME off! To be
> > frank! I am sick of you people blowing me off all the time! Find someone
> > else next time you're in the mood. Worrying about when you'll get to blow me
> > off again
> > all the time must be exhausting and there MUST be SOMETHING else you enjoy
> > doing...?
> > AND YOU TWO, please don't confuse a SUGGESTION with a REQUEST, I have never
> > been asked to move my computer. It's a total of 4 people it bothers, and
> > those 4 people are rarely in the space! Yet when they finally come around
> > they spend their time having a tantrum about me off completely out of the
> > way of anything they could be doing?
> > @Al
> > man, why do i never get to hear any of this out of mouth? i always got to
> > read your frustration second hand,
> >  how are organizing/cleaning the kitchen, cooking with/for people, making
> > tea for everyone, repairing shirts, jackets, headphones, &laptops, spreading
> > the word of hackerspaces, running the lockpicking class three weeks in a
> > row, making sure as many people as i can affect (who havent already decided
> > im their mortal enemy) are smiling/laughing, teaching people how to
> > solder/use the sewing machine/repair their stuff/speak spanish/make a decent
> > bowl of labne etc not legitimate projects? what the fuck is a fucking
> > project?? Albert have you have got that word tattooed to your eyelids? has
> > it completely lost its meaning? i dont understand what parameters it
> > defines, do i need to build a 1:1 Hanging Gardens of Babylon out of macaroni
> > sculpture to impress you? if not so extreme, why draw a line at all?
> > I'd like to have my word taken when I say that I ALWAYS ask if I can get out
> > of the way of anyone whom i look like i even might be in the way of. Not ot
> > mention CONSTANTLY asking people what i can help them with around the space.
> > I am a very thoughtful, purposefully conscientious and attemptedly
> > empathetic participant of the space. Because of my extraversion disease, I
> > can't not engage lost looking people and I'm a big reason people ever find
> > the classrooms in the first place! I've given more tours, found more
> > needed/lost tools, washed more dishes, and swept more floors at noisebridge
> > than anyone in the last few months ('cept Al). You haters come in once every
> > two weeks and see me looking out the window for a minute, you make a mental
> > note of it, convince yourself that i haven't done an ounce of helping
> > anybody ever over and over until you can't remember what it was that you
> > were actually mad about and then blog about it? Sounds super productive!
> > Who exactly avoids turing because I'm in there? All the people who've come
> > to it looking like they wanted to stay for more than a minute did, and all
> > who didn't didn't, can we stop speculating? seriously point them out, have
> > them ask me to stop being so scary/smelly/vicious/satanically unpleasant to
> > be around while I'm doing my french homework/ or playing trackmania so
> > AntaGoNizIngly. Do you have any idea how many people were thankful there was
> > a computer sitting there for them to be able to participate in the class
> > with (the 88% of the time the computer is freely available as first come
> > first serve)?
> > ah fuck, look what you made me do, wall of text when i could be sleeping,
> > whoops
> > Isky <3's you noisebridge. Sorry for partying.
> >
> > save the disc list for interesting, new, at least slightly informative
> > topics
> > instead of smearing (my) name/s around in a circle all day every day XD
> > oh and Liz I'd love to help teach that class,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:41 AM, aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The fundamental fallacy with declaring excellence is that, because
> >> everyone has a different view, any action has both excellence and
> >> un-excellent qualities to it. I feel one of the points of us using this as
> >> our one "rule" is to help remind people that in knee-deep drama, there
> >> always *is* a positive way to look at things.
> >> This also means that, even if we got the entire membership to agree on
> >> something, or even communicate with each other at all, it would be forced
> >> and trite at best. Further, some people would feel pressured to "agree" by
> >> others, and rather than voicing their actual opinion they'd go along with
> >> the crowd to avoid conflict.
> >> In any case, what I feel is most excellent right now is finishing my
> >> ice-cream while listening to Mozart and watching porn, and enjoying majestic
> >> mental images.
> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> * Isky isn't on trial. Some people have a problem with his behavior
> >>> and are discussing it on the email list. That's all.
> >>>
> >>> * This is specifically about Isky, and specifically about him keeping
> >>> his desktop in the Turing classroom on a long term basis.
> >>>
> >>> * Personally, I think if the membership came together, decided if
> >>> keeping personal desktops in the classrooms was excellent behavior or
> >>> not with everyone having an equal say, and then wrote this decision
> >>> down, we could avoid a lot of drama. Otherwise this email thread will
> >>> continue until everyone is emotionally drained, nothing will be
> >>> resolved, and this or a problem like it will flare up again in a few
> >>> months.
> >>>
> >>> -Al
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Urgh... I can't beleive I'm getting sucked in to drama, but...
> >>> >
> >>> > Seriously is Isky on trial or something?  Is he Mubarak?   If we are
> >>> > talking
> >>> > about Isky in a huge email drama thread, then who else are we going to
> >>> > talk
> >>> > about next???   Noisebridge is and should be an open space for people
> >>> > to
> >>> > interact in their own ways.  I realize that people are coming forward
> >>> > to
> >>> > defend him, but he shouldn't /have/ to be defended.
> >>> >
> >>> > Shunning people from noisebridge because the don't fit a social mold
> >>> > will
> >>> > only ensure the alienation of the best and brightest.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>    isky shares his computer with others, and seems to
> >>> >>> me pretty freely.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We don't have rules, but it seems like the general pattern in the past
> >>> >> has
> >>> >> been "Keep your stuff on your shelf, or, if it doesn't fit on your
> >>> >> shelf,
> >>> >> label it."  A shuttle PC will fit on a shelf, easily.
> >>> >> It seems like there's another underlying issue people are skirting
> >>> >> around,
> >>> >> which is that Isky is constantly at the space, and rarely seems to be
> >>> >> doing
> >>> >> anything beyond hanging out.
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Josh Myer 415.230.9791 <-- NOTE: New number!
> >>> >>  josh at joshisanerd.com
> >>> >>
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