[Noisebridge-discuss] Practical Politics

Tue Feb 8 09:25:37 UTC 2011

I would like to hear about the experiences of those who have
participated in functional consensus processes.  I'd like to ask
questions, I'm sure.  I think lightning-talk style would work for this,
but so would other formats.

Jared Dunne wrote:
> Great it sounds like we have enough to make it happen for Friday at 6
> (sharpish).  I'll send out a reminder/announcement to discuss later
> this week and announce it at the Tuesday meeting tomorrow.
> 
> As to Shannon's question on format.... What do you all think?
> 
>> Do we just want to have a round-table discussion, or do we want to have some sort of structure?
> 
> I'm inclined to leave it open and let the meeting organically take
> whatever direction we decide on then.  I'd be happy to facilitate the
> meeting using consensus to guide us.  For example, I'd propose that we
> devote some time to discussing and consensing on what people would
> like to see come out of our meetup, if we want it to be reoccurring,
> etc.  I'd like to share my past consensus experiences but that can be
> done in either lightning-talk or round table format.  Do others have
> consensus rants or raves that they'd like to share for kicking us off
> on Friday?
> 
> Jared-
> 
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>> I'll be there at 6.
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>> jim wrote:
>>>     okay. i'm hoping we can start right at 6 PM
>>> (and summarize maybe every thirty minutes for
>>> those who arrive late as well as those who miss
>>> the points of what's said).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:45 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>> Hi All-
>>>>
>>>> So shall we aim to have the Consensus Hacking meetup on this Friday at
>>>> 6pm until 7:30?
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to set a date/time before Tuesday so it can be announced at
>>>> the Tuesday Weekly Meeting and such...
>>>>
>>>> Jared-
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>>>    i've got a thing at noisebridge fridays from
>>>>> 12:30 to 6 PM. i can probably take time away from
>>>>> it. immediately after 6 also could work okay for
>>>>> me, usually.
>>>>> jim
>>>>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:33 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>> I can do a Friday evening, earlier the better IMHO.  Weekends are
>>>>>> normally very socially busy but I can make time if that's the only
>>>>>> time that we can all meet, if so afternoons would be best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jared-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> What would people think of a Friday evening instead?  I try to go to Ace
>>>>>>> Monster Toys' meeting on Thursdays (in the East Bay).  I could also make
>>>>>>> a weekend time, except Sunday evening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think there is sufficient interest in organizing a Consensus
>>>>>>>> discussion.  Let's proceed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When would be good to hold it?  Would next Thursday evening sometime
>>>>>>>> work?  My thinking being: Mon-Wed evenings are so busy at NB.  If we
>>>>>>>> hold it next week, we can announce it at the general meeting to get
>>>>>>>> more people into the discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know when would be ideal for you...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'd love to come to a discussion group on the consensus process.  Please
>>>>>>>>> facilitate this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone else interested in something like what Shannon proposed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to see something happen even if its simply an informal
>>>>>>>>>> discussion about Consensus at Noisebridge past, present, future.  It
>>>>>>>>>> would be nice to get together everyone who wants to do some Consensus
>>>>>>>>>> Hacking to chat it out in more depth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to organize or facilitate something if there is
>>>>>>>>>> sufficient interest.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> j-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jared Dunne <jareddunne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.  I've used Consensus before in some anti-war groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd be happy to talk briefly about that experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for Autonomous action (do-acracy as NB calls it), but when
>>>>>>>>>>> using consensus to work together we can do more than we can acting
>>>>>>>>>>> autonomously as individuals.  It's strange that consensus seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>> feared and avoided at NB.  I'm newish here so hearing someone give a
>>>>>>>>>>> talk on NB's experience with Consensus would be great to understand
>>>>>>>>>>> more about why that's the case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on when you schedule this... and if I can get a chance to
>>>>>>>>>>> re-read that handbook I donated...  I could give an overview of some
>>>>>>>>>>> of the key insights it adds to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> To resurrect an old thread with new information, Jared bought us a copy of
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Social, Political, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Groups" by Peter Gelderloos
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realized in watching the last couple of threads that there are people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here who know a *lot* about running anarchist and consensus organizations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would any of you be willing to put together a reading list, or possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold a symposium of some sort, on how this stuff works, and how it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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