[Noisebridge-discuss] Practical Politics

Tue Feb 8 18:15:46 UTC 2011

I agree with Rachel that havnig a couple of people give five-minute talks
interspersed with our discussion seems good, but maybe that's a future
thing...?

--S

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:

> I would like to hear about the experiences of those who have
> participated in functional consensus processes.  I'd like to ask
> questions, I'm sure.  I think lightning-talk style would work for this,
> but so would other formats.
>
> Jared Dunne wrote:
> > Great it sounds like we have enough to make it happen for Friday at 6
> > (sharpish).  I'll send out a reminder/announcement to discuss later
> > this week and announce it at the Tuesday meeting tomorrow.
> >
> > As to Shannon's question on format.... What do you all think?
> >
> >> Do we just want to have a round-table discussion, or do we want to have
> some sort of structure?
> >
> > I'm inclined to leave it open and let the meeting organically take
> > whatever direction we decide on then.  I'd be happy to facilitate the
> > meeting using consensus to guide us.  For example, I'd propose that we
> > devote some time to discussing and consensing on what people would
> > like to see come out of our meetup, if we want it to be reoccurring,
> > etc.  I'd like to share my past consensus experiences but that can be
> > done in either lightning-talk or round table format.  Do others have
> > consensus rants or raves that they'd like to share for kicking us off
> > on Friday?
> >
> > Jared-
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> wrote:
> >> I'll be there at 6.
> >>
> >> Rachel
> >>
> >> jim wrote:
> >>>     okay. i'm hoping we can start right at 6 PM
> >>> (and summarize maybe every thirty minutes for
> >>> those who arrive late as well as those who miss
> >>> the points of what's said).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:45 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>> Hi All-
> >>>>
> >>>> So shall we aim to have the Consensus Hacking meetup on this Friday at
> >>>> 6pm until 7:30?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like to set a date/time before Tuesday so it can be announced at
> >>>> the Tuesday Weekly Meeting and such...
> >>>>
> >>>> Jared-
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >>>>>    i've got a thing at noisebridge fridays from
> >>>>> 12:30 to 6 PM. i can probably take time away from
> >>>>> it. immediately after 6 also could work okay for
> >>>>> me, usually.
> >>>>> jim
> >>>>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:33 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>>>> I can do a Friday evening, earlier the better IMHO.  Weekends are
> >>>>>> normally very socially busy but I can make time if that's the only
> >>>>>> time that we can all meet, if so afternoons would be best.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> jared-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rachel McConnell <
> rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> What would people think of a Friday evening instead?  I try to go
> to Ace
> >>>>>>> Monster Toys' meeting on Thursdays (in the East Bay).  I could also
> make
> >>>>>>> a weekend time, except Sunday evening.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rachel
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I think there is sufficient interest in organizing a Consensus
> >>>>>>>> discussion.  Let's proceed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When would be good to hold it?  Would next Thursday evening
> sometime
> >>>>>>>> work?  My thinking being: Mon-Wed evenings are so busy at NB.  If
> we
> >>>>>>>> hold it next week, we can announce it at the general meeting to
> get
> >>>>>>>> more people into the discussion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Let me know when would be ideal for you...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jared-
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rachel McConnell <
> rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I'd love to come to a discussion group on the consensus process.
>  Please
> >>>>>>>>> facilitate this.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Rachel
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Is anyone else interested in something like what Shannon
> proposed?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus
> process; I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus
> process outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we
> did it at X"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how
> Noisebridge works"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How
> Noisebridge Works"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to see something happen even if its simply an
> informal
> >>>>>>>>>> discussion about Consensus at Noisebridge past, present, future.
>  It
> >>>>>>>>>> would be nice to get together everyone who wants to do some
> Consensus
> >>>>>>>>>> Hacking to chat it out in more depth.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to organize or facilitate something if there is
> >>>>>>>>>> sufficient interest.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> j-
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jared Dunne <
> jareddunne at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Shannon-
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.  I've used Consensus before in some anti-war
> groups.
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I'd be happy to talk briefly about that experience.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for Autonomous action (do-acracy as NB calls it), but
> when
> >>>>>>>>>>> using consensus to work together we can do more than we can
> acting
> >>>>>>>>>>> autonomously as individuals.  It's strange that consensus seems
> to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> feared and avoided at NB.  I'm newish here so hearing someone
> give a
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk on NB's experience with Consensus would be great to
> understand
> >>>>>>>>>>> more about why that's the case.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Depending on when you schedule this... and if I can get a
> chance to
> >>>>>>>>>>> re-read that handbook I donated...  I could give an overview of
> some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of the key insights it adds to the discussion.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jared-
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Shannon Lee <
> shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To resurrect an old thread with new information, Jared bought
> us a copy of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Social, Political,
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Groups" by Peter Gelderloos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus
> process; I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus
> process outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we
> did it at X"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how
> Noisebridge works"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How
> Noisebridge Works"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --S
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee <
> shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I realized in watching the last couple of threads that there
> are people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> here who know a *lot* about running anarchist and consensus
> organizations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would any of you be willing to put together a reading list,
> or possibly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hold a symposium of some sort, on how this stuff works, and
> how it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to work?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from
> science."
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from
> science."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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Shannon Lee
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