[Noisebridge-discuss] Practical Politics

Tue Feb 8 16:09:01 UTC 2011

    i ask for summaries every thirty minutes. maybe 
begin with two or three minutes of fame, i.e. let 
people say where they're coming from, try to agree 
on sub-topic priorities and then address the most 
important within available time. 


On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 00:32 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
> Great it sounds like we have enough to make it happen for Friday at 6
> (sharpish).  I'll send out a reminder/announcement to discuss later
> this week and announce it at the Tuesday meeting tomorrow.
> 
> As to Shannon's question on format.... What do you all think?
> 
> > Do we just want to have a round-table discussion, or do we want to have some sort of structure?
> 
> I'm inclined to leave it open and let the meeting organically take
> whatever direction we decide on then.  I'd be happy to facilitate the
> meeting using consensus to guide us.  For example, I'd propose that we
> devote some time to discussing and consensing on what people would
> like to see come out of our meetup, if we want it to be reoccurring,
> etc.  I'd like to share my past consensus experiences but that can be
> done in either lightning-talk or round table format.  Do others have
> consensus rants or raves that they'd like to share for kicking us off
> on Friday?
> 
> Jared-
> 
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> > I'll be there at 6.
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > jim wrote:
> >>     okay. i'm hoping we can start right at 6 PM
> >> (and summarize maybe every thirty minutes for
> >> those who arrive late as well as those who miss
> >> the points of what's said).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:45 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>> Hi All-
> >>>
> >>> So shall we aim to have the Consensus Hacking meetup on this Friday at
> >>> 6pm until 7:30?
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to set a date/time before Tuesday so it can be announced at
> >>> the Tuesday Weekly Meeting and such...
> >>>
> >>> Jared-
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >>>>    i've got a thing at noisebridge fridays from
> >>>> 12:30 to 6 PM. i can probably take time away from
> >>>> it. immediately after 6 also could work okay for
> >>>> me, usually.
> >>>> jim
> >>>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:33 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>>> I can do a Friday evening, earlier the better IMHO.  Weekends are
> >>>>> normally very socially busy but I can make time if that's the only
> >>>>> time that we can all meet, if so afternoons would be best.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jared-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> What would people think of a Friday evening instead?  I try to go to Ace
> >>>>>> Monster Toys' meeting on Thursdays (in the East Bay).  I could also make
> >>>>>> a weekend time, except Sunday evening.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rachel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>>>>> I think there is sufficient interest in organizing a Consensus
> >>>>>>> discussion.  Let's proceed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When would be good to hold it?  Would next Thursday evening sometime
> >>>>>>> work?  My thinking being: Mon-Wed evenings are so busy at NB.  If we
> >>>>>>> hold it next week, we can announce it at the general meeting to get
> >>>>>>> more people into the discussion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me know when would be ideal for you...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jared-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I'd love to come to a discussion group on the consensus process.  Please
> >>>>>>>> facilitate this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rachel
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Is anyone else interested in something like what Shannon proposed?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
> >>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
> >>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
> >>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
> >>>>>>>>> I'd really like to see something happen even if its simply an informal
> >>>>>>>>> discussion about Consensus at Noisebridge past, present, future.  It
> >>>>>>>>> would be nice to get together everyone who wants to do some Consensus
> >>>>>>>>> Hacking to chat it out in more depth.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to organize or facilitate something if there is
> >>>>>>>>> sufficient interest.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> j-
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jared Dunne <jareddunne at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Shannon-
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.  I've used Consensus before in some anti-war groups.
> >>>>>>>>>>  I'd be happy to talk briefly about that experience.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm all for Autonomous action (do-acracy as NB calls it), but when
> >>>>>>>>>> using consensus to work together we can do more than we can acting
> >>>>>>>>>> autonomously as individuals.  It's strange that consensus seems to be
> >>>>>>>>>> feared and avoided at NB.  I'm newish here so hearing someone give a
> >>>>>>>>>> talk on NB's experience with Consensus would be great to understand
> >>>>>>>>>> more about why that's the case.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Depending on when you schedule this... and if I can get a chance to
> >>>>>>>>>> re-read that handbook I donated...  I could give an overview of some
> >>>>>>>>>> of the key insights it adds to the discussion.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jared-
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> To resurrect an old thread with new information, Jared bought us a copy of
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Social, Political, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Groups" by Peter Gelderloos
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
> >>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
> >>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
> >>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
> >>>>>>>>>>> --S
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I realized in watching the last couple of threads that there are people
> >>>>>>>>>>>> here who know a *lot* about running anarchist and consensus organizations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would any of you be willing to put together a reading list, or possibly
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hold a symposium of some sort, on how this stuff works, and how it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to work?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --S
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
> >>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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