[Noisebridge-discuss] Meeting Notes for Feb. 8, 2011

rachel lyra hospodar rachelyra at gmail.com
Tue Feb 15 16:02:56 UTC 2011


Thanks for taking the notes! I know we've talked about creating guidelines
for this, have we ever?
For example, it would be cool if the new member names consistently made it
into the notes so people could know who we'll be consensing on in the coming
weeks.

mediumreality.com
On Feb 14, 2011 12:13 AM, "Seth David Schoen" <schoen at loyalty.org> wrote:
> Sorry for the delay. These are now posted at
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2011_02_08
>
>
> ==Meeting notes for February 8, 2011 general meeting==
>
> A Noisebridge meeting! Started at 20:30.
>
> What Noisebridge is!
>
> Moderator: Al
>
> Notetaker: Seth
>
> ===Introductions===
>
> Hi everybody.
>
> ===Consensus process===
>
> ===Announcements===
>
> On Friday 2011-02-11T18:00 there will be a meeting of people who
> are interested in learning more about consensus or improving
> their participation in the consensus process or the process
> itself.
>
> ===Recurring events===
>
> Apart from the ones listed on the web page,
>
> * Be the Hack is meeting on Tuesdays right before the general meeting.
> * Note upcoming 5mof on 2010-02-17!
>
> ===Consensus items===
>
> ====Stickers====
>
> Mitch making stickers -- Noisebridge to pay.
>
> Mitch describes the various sizes of vinyl stickers that he can have made
with Jakprints $825 (the one we've been using before) or Sticker Giant $775
(one that Josh recommended). This does not include shipping.
>
> We will get them in two sizes and in both black and white and black and
red. Black and white was originally a mistake, but people continue to like
them.
>
> Q. What is the state of our treasury? Can we afford it?
>
> A. We will ask the treasurer.
>
> Treasurer. Yes, we can. We will still be above our three months'
> expenses in the bank. Our finances are currently stable again.
>
> Mitch will purchase the stickers from Sticker Giant this time.
>
> Consensus item is approved.
>
> ===Treasurer's Report===
>
> Bank balance is $17,750.78. We have paid rent for February but not for
March.
>
> Donations are higher than they were in the fall, though not as high as
right when Shannon first publicized that we were having financial trouble.
However, income still remains higher than expenses.
>
> ===Discussion items===
>
> ====Cleaning====
>
> Proposal: Noisebridge should buy a vacuum cleaner. We have a shopvac but
it's too loud.
>
> Seth: Can I play [http://www.jonathancoulton.com/wiki/index.php/Shop_Vacthe song]?
>
> Other people: No.
>
> Proposal: We should get a professional-type backpack-style $300 HEPA
vacuum.
>
> - We should keep financial discipline by not spending our funds on
everything.
>
> - Can't we buy a $30 vacuum on Craigslist?
>
> - Wouldn't it be easier to ask for a donated vacuum cleaner?
>
> - We can hack the vacuum cleaner into a backpack.
>
> - But it wouldn't have a HEPA filter.
>
> - We can find working vacuum cleaners on the street.
>
> Suggestion: Mitch will try to find one on the street and Rachel will hack
it.
>
> - According to Danny's survey, people complain about the space being dirty
much more than they complain about mailing list drama or anything else.
>
> - But we have brooms already!
>
> - A vacuum cleaner might lower the barrier to cleaning compared to a
broom, because it's more fun.
>
> Q. What about putting a broom in a backpack?
>
> - Buying the vacuum cleaner would cost money but it would make cleaning
more appealing.
>
> Q. Let's ask the treasurer whether we can afford this expense!
>
> Treasurer: Yes, we could afford this now. But given that expense, why
don't we hire instead hire a cleaning service that already has one of these?
>
> Discussion about the idea of hiring a cleaning service. This might be
expensive because of the size of the space.
>
> - Buying a vacuum is a one-time expense, unlike hiring a cleaning service
which is a recurring expense.
>
> Treasurer: Buying a vacuum is obviously cheaper than hiring someone but
maybe we shouldn't buy a vacuum if we hire someone.
>
> - We were discussing hiring someone to clean the bathroom only, but we
haven't agreed on this yet.
>
> - Perhaps we should buy a cheap vacuum and see whether people use it.
>
> - We should get quotes about what cleaning services would charge.
>
> Q. How much would people be comfortable spending on a cleaning service?
>
> - We could get a machine that wet-cleans the floor rather than just a
vacuum.
>
> - If it were clean, maybe more people would join and more people would use
the space. This might actually make up for the extra expense.
>
> - Danny's poll didn't actually ask whether people would use the space more
or differently based on cleanliness. We just know that it's the most common
complaint.
>
> - There may be a baseline amount of effort going into cleaning the space
which could go into other kinds of improvements to the space, like
organization. This would be great.
>
> Q. Roomba?
>
> - People would turn them into killer robots. (NB: the [
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IRobot#Military_and_policing_robotscompany
that makes Roombas actually makes military robots too]!)
>
> - Also, we probably have too much stuff for a Roomba.
>
> - We just discovered that we actually DO have a vacuum already!
>
> - The problem may be the clutter, not the cleanliness. If only we had a
larger space, it would be less cluttered because we would have more places
for things.
>
> - It's not clear how the cleaning would affect the organization. There are
rival theories.
>
> Q. Does anyone want to get quotes?
>
> - Andy did already or said he would be willing to. Claudia has a contact
with a housekeeper and Andy has a contact with a commercial office cleaning
service.
>
> - We should label more things in terms of their purpose and destiny.
>
> - We could get a truck and take some stuff away.
>
> Q. What about the nerf guns? How can we decide on whether to get rid of
things?
>
> - The consensus process may not be the right way to decide on individual
items.
>
> - Shannon is forming a "hitting crap with a hammer" committee (consisting
only of himself). If your stuff looks like junk, you should make it look
less like junk so he won't hit it with a hammer.
>
> - Excellence vs. do-ocracy. It would be better to photograph things and
write to the list about them before throwing them away.
>
> - Throwing away the stuff in the trash room!
>
> - Webcam in the trash room!?
>
> - The trash room could be a staging area for things that will (actually)
be thrown away!
>
> Treasurer: Taking things to the dump incurs monetary expenses, as doing
renting trucks. Hopefully people will donate those expenses when they rent
them. However, if things get carted to the dump Noisebridge will reimburse
them for the dump fee.
>
> Shannon will reimburse them for the truck rental fee for this purpose.
>
> ====Turing====
>
> Shannon wants to talk about Turing (the room) after the meeting.
>
> ===Membership binder===
>
> Names were read.
>
> Meeting ended at 21:30.
>
> --
> Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org> | Qué empresa fácil no pensar en
> http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | un tigre, reflexioné.
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