[Noisebridge-discuss] Meeting Notes for Feb. 8, 2011

Tue Feb 15 20:59:50 UTC 2011

This came up at last Friday's consensus meeting...

* Apparently, the guideline is that the agenda for the weekly meeting 
should be posted a full week in advance, if nothing else so that any 
stakeholder in a potential consensus item knows to show up.

* However, in practice, much is brought up spontaneously at the meeting. 
  Therefore, anything brought up spontaneously should not be decided and 
left for a decision the following week.

* Also, a better set of guidelines for past meeting note would result in 
a more consistent archive of meeting notes.  Also, if the reasoning for 
any consensus decisions were contained in the meeting notes then 
everybody would have a reliable place to understand how decisions were made.

* There is now a meeting notes archive page that I'm still working on, 
which will eventually have more columns for consensus items, new members 
that were consensed, etc...

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_Archive

Patrick

On 2/15/2011 8:02 AM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> Thanks for taking the notes! I know we've talked about creating
> guidelines for this, have we ever?
> For example, it would be cool if the new member names consistently made
> it into the notes so people could know who we'll be consensing on in the
> coming weeks.
>
> mediumreality.com <http://mediumreality.com>
>
> On Feb 14, 2011 12:13 AM, "Seth David Schoen" <schoen at loyalty.org
> <mailto:schoen at loyalty.org>> wrote:
>  > Sorry for the delay. These are now posted at
>  >
>  > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2011_02_08
>  >
>  >
>  > ==Meeting notes for February 8, 2011 general meeting==
>  >
>  > A Noisebridge meeting! Started at 20:30.
>  >
>  > What Noisebridge is!
>  >
>  > Moderator: Al
>  >
>  > Notetaker: Seth
>  >
>  > ===Introductions===
>  >
>  > Hi everybody.
>  >
>  > ===Consensus process===
>  >
>  > ===Announcements===
>  >
>  > On Friday 2011-02-11T18:00 there will be a meeting of people who
>  > are interested in learning more about consensus or improving
>  > their participation in the consensus process or the process
>  > itself.
>  >
>  > ===Recurring events===
>  >
>  > Apart from the ones listed on the web page,
>  >
>  > * Be the Hack is meeting on Tuesdays right before the general meeting.
>  > * Note upcoming 5mof on 2010-02-17!
>  >
>  > ===Consensus items===
>  >
>  > ====Stickers====
>  >
>  > Mitch making stickers -- Noisebridge to pay.
>  >
>  > Mitch describes the various sizes of vinyl stickers that he can have
> made with Jakprints $825 (the one we've been using before) or Sticker
> Giant $775 (one that Josh recommended). This does not include shipping.
>  >
>  > We will get them in two sizes and in both black and white and black
> and red. Black and white was originally a mistake, but people continue
> to like them.
>  >
>  > Q. What is the state of our treasury? Can we afford it?
>  >
>  > A. We will ask the treasurer.
>  >
>  > Treasurer. Yes, we can. We will still be above our three months'
>  > expenses in the bank. Our finances are currently stable again.
>  >
>  > Mitch will purchase the stickers from Sticker Giant this time.
>  >
>  > Consensus item is approved.
>  >
>  > ===Treasurer's Report===
>  >
>  > Bank balance is $17,750.78. We have paid rent for February but not
> for March.
>  >
>  > Donations are higher than they were in the fall, though not as high
> as right when Shannon first publicized that we were having financial
> trouble. However, income still remains higher than expenses.
>  >
>  > ===Discussion items===
>  >
>  > ====Cleaning====
>  >
>  > Proposal: Noisebridge should buy a vacuum cleaner. We have a shopvac
> but it's too loud.
>  >
>  > Seth: Can I play
> [http://www.jonathancoulton.com/wiki/index.php/Shop_Vac the song]?
>  >
>  > Other people: No.
>  >
>  > Proposal: We should get a professional-type backpack-style $300 HEPA
> vacuum.
>  >
>  > - We should keep financial discipline by not spending our funds on
> everything.
>  >
>  > - Can't we buy a $30 vacuum on Craigslist?
>  >
>  > - Wouldn't it be easier to ask for a donated vacuum cleaner?
>  >
>  > - We can hack the vacuum cleaner into a backpack.
>  >
>  > - But it wouldn't have a HEPA filter.
>  >
>  > - We can find working vacuum cleaners on the street.
>  >
>  > Suggestion: Mitch will try to find one on the street and Rachel will
> hack it.
>  >
>  > - According to Danny's survey, people complain about the space being
> dirty much more than they complain about mailing list drama or anything
> else.
>  >
>  > - But we have brooms already!
>  >
>  > - A vacuum cleaner might lower the barrier to cleaning compared to a
> broom, because it's more fun.
>  >
>  > Q. What about putting a broom in a backpack?
>  >
>  > - Buying the vacuum cleaner would cost money but it would make
> cleaning more appealing.
>  >
>  > Q. Let's ask the treasurer whether we can afford this expense!
>  >
>  > Treasurer: Yes, we could afford this now. But given that expense, why
> don't we hire instead hire a cleaning service that already has one of these?
>  >
>  > Discussion about the idea of hiring a cleaning service. This might be
> expensive because of the size of the space.
>  >
>  > - Buying a vacuum is a one-time expense, unlike hiring a cleaning
> service which is a recurring expense.
>  >
>  > Treasurer: Buying a vacuum is obviously cheaper than hiring someone
> but maybe we shouldn't buy a vacuum if we hire someone.
>  >
>  > - We were discussing hiring someone to clean the bathroom only, but
> we haven't agreed on this yet.
>  >
>  > - Perhaps we should buy a cheap vacuum and see whether people use it.
>  >
>  > - We should get quotes about what cleaning services would charge.
>  >
>  > Q. How much would people be comfortable spending on a cleaning service?
>  >
>  > - We could get a machine that wet-cleans the floor rather than just a
> vacuum.
>  >
>  > - If it were clean, maybe more people would join and more people
> would use the space. This might actually make up for the extra expense.
>  >
>  > - Danny's poll didn't actually ask whether people would use the space
> more or differently based on cleanliness. We just know that it's the
> most common complaint.
>  >
>  > - There may be a baseline amount of effort going into cleaning the
> space which could go into other kinds of improvements to the space, like
> organization. This would be great.
>  >
>  > Q. Roomba?
>  >
>  > - People would turn them into killer robots. (NB: the
> [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IRobot#Military_and_policing_robots
> company that makes Roombas actually makes military robots too]!)
>  >
>  > - Also, we probably have too much stuff for a Roomba.
>  >
>  > - We just discovered that we actually DO have a vacuum already!
>  >
>  > - The problem may be the clutter, not the cleanliness. If only we had
> a larger space, it would be less cluttered because we would have more
> places for things.
>  >
>  > - It's not clear how the cleaning would affect the organization.
> There are rival theories.
>  >
>  > Q. Does anyone want to get quotes?
>  >
>  > - Andy did already or said he would be willing to. Claudia has a
> contact with a housekeeper and Andy has a contact with a commercial
> office cleaning service.
>  >
>  > - We should label more things in terms of their purpose and destiny.
>  >
>  > - We could get a truck and take some stuff away.
>  >
>  > Q. What about the nerf guns? How can we decide on whether to get rid
> of things?
>  >
>  > - The consensus process may not be the right way to decide on
> individual items.
>  >
>  > - Shannon is forming a "hitting crap with a hammer" committee
> (consisting only of himself). If your stuff looks like junk, you should
> make it look less like junk so he won't hit it with a hammer.
>  >
>  > - Excellence vs. do-ocracy. It would be better to photograph things
> and write to the list about them before throwing them away.
>  >
>  > - Throwing away the stuff in the trash room!
>  >
>  > - Webcam in the trash room!?
>  >
>  > - The trash room could be a staging area for things that will
> (actually) be thrown away!
>  >
>  > Treasurer: Taking things to the dump incurs monetary expenses, as
> doing renting trucks. Hopefully people will donate those expenses when
> they rent them. However, if things get carted to the dump Noisebridge
> will reimburse them for the dump fee.
>  >
>  > Shannon will reimburse them for the truck rental fee for this purpose.
>  >
>  > ====Turing====
>  >
>  > Shannon wants to talk about Turing (the room) after the meeting.
>  >
>  > ===Membership binder===
>  >
>  > Names were read.
>  >
>  > Meeting ended at 21:30.
>  >
>  > --
>  > Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org <mailto:schoen at loyalty.org>> |
> Qué empresa fácil no pensar en
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