[Noisebridge-discuss] lockers for noisebridge - big enough? funding?

[Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson]

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On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Patrick Keys wrote:
> Its the "genius of the AND" not the "tyranny of the OR".  It's not a 
> matter of "lockers OR shelves".  It's a matter of "lockers AND shelves". 
>  You get a new option.  Before, you just had shelves.  Now you get a 
> second option, lockers.
> 

....have you even read the criticism offered?

> More bullet points...
> * using a locker is optional.  we still have the shelves.  if you don't 
> like the lockers then don't use them.  to each his own.

Many, me included, feel that locking things up at Noisebridge, or introducing things that signal a need for locking things up here will change the mood of the space to something contrary to the vision that Noisebridge was built to be.

This argument adresses that in NO way whatsoever. I don't want locks. You tell me to just not use the locks, while ignoring the reasons I object to locks in the first place.

If you mine the mailing lists to the really early days of 2169, you'll see similar noises around what was once the DJ booth, later tea room, future (hopefully) Epilog lasering room... This is why there was for a long time no staircase and no door there.

> * putting a lock on a locker is optional.  if you don't like locks, then 
> don't use one.  to each his own.

I don't like a space where you feel you need to lock your things up. This sends bad signals. Again, not something I can deal with without you listening.

> * to clarify, we don't have room in the current shelf area for either 
> lockers or more shelves.  some shelves would need to be moved.
> * the extra shelves could be re-purposed as more hack shelves, which 
> also seem necessary given all the stuff on the floor by the hack shelves.

Soooooo... your solution is not creating more storage space?

WHOA!

You are seriously trying to solve the problem of having enough project storage by removing shelves and then introduce lockable entities? HOW on EARTH is this a better idea than to just store a hack-bin on a shelf?

> * the lockers are flat on the back so my plan is lockers on one side 
> with shelves up against them back-to-back.
> * We can't get these until next week anyway because the guy is too busy 
> to deliver them (i just talked with him on the phone again)
> * we'd likely get an even 4 lockers because the shelves are side-by-side 
> 2-at-a-time.
> 
> Moxie's comment about aesthetics is also an important point.  Lockers 
> would add some serious aesthetic value to Noisebridge.  We could 
> spraypaint a giant mural on them, put stickers on them, add l.e.d.'s, 
> etc.  So the lockers have value beyond the interior space.
> 
> 
> Updated opinions:
>    generally unopposed (9): al, jared, moxie, jim, rachel m., john e, 
> L E, sean, patrick
>    generally opposed (6): rubin, jake, claudia, leif, snail, meredith
> 

Also, Moxie's comment about enumerating and meeting concerns in a consensus process is REALLY important. This is not about numbers, and it cannot possibly be about numbers and for/against in a consensus space. It's about acknowledging the concerns leveraged and working with those speaking up to find solutions that will actually get everyone onboard.

Please, please, PLEASE recognize this and its implications for your own posture here.

// Mikael

> On 2/17/2011 2:10 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:
>> What if the lockers were hacked to be unlockable?  Saw off the bits with
>> the holes that the lock hasp goes through.  Would that remove the
>> primary purpose of them, for those who want?  Would that mitigate the
>> primary objection, for those who don't want?
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Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson, Dr.rer.nat.
Postdoctoral researcher
mik at math.stanford.edu



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