[Noisebridge-discuss] common courtesy: logging into wiki / not editing user pages

[Patrick Keys]

Whenever I say, "why doesn't Noisebridge..." I'm:
* trying to avoid unnecessary conflict.  Like the drama with the 
lockers. (Fact: Every nearby hackerspace already has lockers.)
* asking if anybody has a better idea,
* asking "does anybody want to work with me on this?"

I think that many people at Noisebridge interpret do-ocracy to mean "do 
every-damn-thing absolutely by yourself".  I am not one of those people.


Patrick



On 2/20/2011 7:26 PM, Dr. Jesus wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Patrick Keys<citizenkeys at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> *sigh*
>> Please... I encourage you for the sake of Noisebridge (and the women)
>> not to create drama.  But if you really want to make an issue of my
>> so-called "unsolicited sexual advances", then at least I can take
>> comfort in a healthy sex life and healthy attraction to women.  I'm
>> leaving this topic at that so as not to gossip.  Just leave it at that.
>>
>> AS for taking credit, quit the opposite.  You got me all wrong.  I
>> didn't take credit for anything.  So stop saying that I did.  I added a
>> list to my personal userpage for my own reference.  Of all things, you
>> really want to argue about... the bathrooms?
>
> He's complaining about your attitude.  You obviously don't realize it,
> but you come across as bossy via email.  Thinking about your
> critical-sounding suggestions for new projects is mentally draining,
> that's why people on -discuss get annoyed by your memos.  There are
> people who can make those kinds of suggestions in ways that gather
> interest.  You aren't one of them yet.  If you don't want drama,
> you're going to have to learn how to communicate in writing a little
> better.
>
> Instead of saying, "why doesn't Noisebridge..." you should be saying
> "how do I do this for Noisebridge..."  Really, that's all that it
> takes.
>
> There is a particularly annoying breed of silicon valley engineer who
> constantly gets new ideas in his or her head and spends more time
> talking about them than acting on them.  No one wants to be a dick to
> someone on their team, but sometime around the fifth suggestion that a
> new technology would be worthy of investigation one gets the urge to
> throttle said  coworker and yell, "you could have found out for
> yourself five times over in the time you spent talking to me about
> it!"  You're probably right that some of the people who spend less
> time at Noisebridge than you are overreacting to your memos.  I don't
> think you're out to get us.  But you're reminding some of us of That
> Guy and it's irritating.  Some people have even been That Guy in the
> past, which makes it doubly irritating since it's an unpleasant
> reminder of their past.
>
> The only reason I haven't completely written you off is that I've
> learned that said breed of engineer usually has some kind of talent
> that he's really good at if you can just get him to stop talking.  In
> your case I think it's probably the bookkeeping you've been doing.
> You've been doing a good job!  Thanks for spending the time to do it.
> Focus on that I guarantee you things will simmer down quite a bit.
>
>> When anybody attempts to take credit for anything, somebody points out
>> how uncool that is.  When anybody attempts NOT to take credit for
>> anything, somebody wants to call them out on it.
>
> That anybody is called Miloh and the only calling out that happened
> was when we elected him to the board.  Humility is a virtue.
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