[Noisebridge-discuss] common courtesy: logging into wiki / not editing user pages

Dr. Jesus j at hug.gs
Mon Feb 21 03:26:11 UTC 2011


On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> *sigh*
> Please... I encourage you for the sake of Noisebridge (and the women)
> not to create drama.  But if you really want to make an issue of my
> so-called "unsolicited sexual advances", then at least I can take
> comfort in a healthy sex life and healthy attraction to women.  I'm
> leaving this topic at that so as not to gossip.  Just leave it at that.
>
> AS for taking credit, quit the opposite.  You got me all wrong.  I
> didn't take credit for anything.  So stop saying that I did.  I added a
> list to my personal userpage for my own reference.  Of all things, you
> really want to argue about... the bathrooms?

He's complaining about your attitude.  You obviously don't realize it,
but you come across as bossy via email.  Thinking about your
critical-sounding suggestions for new projects is mentally draining,
that's why people on -discuss get annoyed by your memos.  There are
people who can make those kinds of suggestions in ways that gather
interest.  You aren't one of them yet.  If you don't want drama,
you're going to have to learn how to communicate in writing a little
better.

Instead of saying, "why doesn't Noisebridge..." you should be saying
"how do I do this for Noisebridge..."  Really, that's all that it
takes.

There is a particularly annoying breed of silicon valley engineer who
constantly gets new ideas in his or her head and spends more time
talking about them than acting on them.  No one wants to be a dick to
someone on their team, but sometime around the fifth suggestion that a
new technology would be worthy of investigation one gets the urge to
throttle said  coworker and yell, "you could have found out for
yourself five times over in the time you spent talking to me about
it!"  You're probably right that some of the people who spend less
time at Noisebridge than you are overreacting to your memos.  I don't
think you're out to get us.  But you're reminding some of us of That
Guy and it's irritating.  Some people have even been That Guy in the
past, which makes it doubly irritating since it's an unpleasant
reminder of their past.

The only reason I haven't completely written you off is that I've
learned that said breed of engineer usually has some kind of talent
that he's really good at if you can just get him to stop talking.  In
your case I think it's probably the bookkeeping you've been doing.
You've been doing a good job!  Thanks for spending the time to do it.
Focus on that I guarantee you things will simmer down quite a bit.

> When anybody attempts to take credit for anything, somebody points out
> how uncool that is.  When anybody attempts NOT to take credit for
> anything, somebody wants to call them out on it.

That anybody is called Miloh and the only calling out that happened
was when we elected him to the board.  Humility is a virtue.



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