[Noisebridge-discuss] lets all go for a drive and chill out...

Rameen emprameen at gmail.com
Wed Jan 5 16:42:42 UTC 2011

Actually, I think flaming that occurs over e-mail is largely a part of
internet culture. Here, in internet land, one only has their words by which
to be judged, and critical flaming and mindless trolling are common
responses. I especially dislike when someone is being sincere and others
shut them down with comments like "TROLL IS A TROLL." That would be

It's difficult to see other perspectives from small short e-mails or
disjointed and overrun discussions. I'm with Jim when it comes to kindness
and patience. It usually seems that when one is flaming another, it's due to
some sort of misunderstanding, or some people are purposely trying to stir
debate with their chasmic intellects. This is also trolling.
Please cease the the needless troll hunting and the strict judging of human
character. It's just an e-mail. If you're having a problem, try some
INTERPERSONAL COMMUNICATION instead of announcing to everyone on your whim
that this or that person is annoying or stupid or a bad communicator or

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:48 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>   interesting remarks.
>   it seems you've taken some heat lately.
>   I'm betting part of the reason is something you're
> doing, maybe a style of interaction..., i don't know.
>   whatever the truth of that, i'm very glad to see
> you sticking through it: kudos on that point.
>   i recently had the tho't that one aspect of some
> of the flameups that occur on our mailing list is a
> lack of patience and kindness, possibly for some good
> reason, possibly not. i'm in favor of patience and
> kindness.
> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 01:02 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
> > I keep coming here because I'd like to make the space better. To see
> > something that doesn't completely "work" and walk away from it is
> > totally against the hacker mentality.  Say what you will about my
> > approach, but at least I try.  I continue to make effort despite all
> > these bad vibes and misunderstandings because that's what life is all
> about.
> >
> > The people that seem to have the most issues with me are the people that
> > are never here and whom I've not been able to have any sort of bonding
> > experience.  The people that I actually interact with on a daily basis I
> > consider my friends and co-workers, even if I don't always get along
> > with them.
> >
> > I've made a conscious effort to get as many of you in my car as I can
> > for off-site bonding, whether it's:
> > * midnight anime marathon at Bridge Theater (Jason, Simon, Benny),
> > * fieldtrip to Google & Hacker Dojo in Mountain View (Fabian, Benny,
> John),
> > * Underground market to sell kombucha (rosanna, benny, fabian),
> > * shooting range in South San Francisco (Isky, Nate, Benny, Fabian, John
> > - plus me and my dog - all in my little sedan at once), and
> > * new year's fireworks at Embarcadero (Mike Khan, Simon, Benny, Fabian).
> >
> > Seeing each other outside of Noisebridge seems to make it easier for
> > everybody to get along. Of all my experiences at Noisebridge, the
> > experiences of doing things with people outside of Noisebridge that I've
> > met here are the experiences I value the most.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
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