[Noisebridge-discuss] FUD Free Laser Cutter, talk, Tuesday, Jan 18th

Dr. Jesus j at hug.gs
Mon Jan 10 08:10:18 UTC 2011

I use Ponoko for this since they're local and I can talk to them in
English when I have special requirements.  They're the only way I know
of to turn an email attachment into a precision piece of metal with a
turnaround of less than a week.

For what it's worth, I have access to a materials lab with all these
fancy fanuc robots, and I've used it exactly once.  Every other time I
decided to use an outsourcing service for the following reason: a
service can vet my design with respect to the machines making it and I

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:54 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>   can we go somewhere and rent one for some
> particular purpose?
>   that'd leave planning, research, etc. for
> here at NB with just a trip to the actual
> doing place.
> On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 17:40 -0800, Corey McGuire wrote:
>> I got some valid criticism from someone stating that putting my
>> fingers in my ears about this subject seems counter productive.  I
>> will give them that it quiets us of new ideas.  But so far, I haven't
>> heard anything new.  This is twice, thrice ploughed ground.
>> The ideas are:
>>       * Should we get a cheap option and if it breaks, hack it
>>       * Should we lease an expensive option which puts us at the mercy
>>         of the leasing company, but gives us an exit.
>>       * Should we buy an expensive option and hope someone doesn't
>>         break it. (expensive is $8k, $15k tops)
>>       * Should we just make a deal with the new Techshop and hope that
>>         their growing community doesn't make competing for these
>>         resources too time restrictive. (remember, they JUST opened.
>>         If past is prologue, then the free time will not last long,
>>         and I think the SF shop will have fewer available resources
>>         since it is smaller and closer to a large maker community than
>>         the Menlo Park shop)
>>       * Should we get one in a private space and run noisebridgers
>>         through a short course when they want to use it (alla
>>         techshop, but ours)
>>       * Can we trust people with a frick'n laser
>>       * Do we have enough money to protect the initial investment and
>>         maintain it
>>       * Who's going to put their name down and take liability if there
>>         is any
>>       * Will the laser engraver do what people expect it to
>>       * How do we make sure that people use it responsibly
>>       * How do we keep noisebridge open and trust people with no
>>         experience to use the machine and not fuck it up
>>       * Do we try to use it to pay for its self somehow
>> Have I missed anything?
>> These are all valid.  I agree with them all.  I just don't think they
>> are new.  I think it's time to talk about it in person.  Not as people
>> madly writing essays...again...and submitting them to be critiqued for
>> punctuation and grammar and snarky application of LOL-Cat-ese.
>> Maybe I'm a dick head, maybe this time it will be me fucking up the
>> Laserbridge idea.  I am just trying to get past the email torrent
>> phase earlier this time.  Fast Forward to beer and discussion.
>> For those that can't make it Tuesday, the 18th, let's pick another
>> day.  I just wanted to plant a flag in the earth saying, "I'm not
>> trying to kill conversation indefinitely, I'm am committing to
>> cultivating a conversation, soon, where people can make decisions."  I
>> picked Tuesday because that is when NB meets, anyway, with all sorts
>> of decision making, community tool experienced people.
>> Noone has done anything wrong, except for maybe me by being a
>> dickhead.  I just don't want to see this get hammered to death with
>> FUD again.  I want to see it have a chance.
>> I have gotten comments from people saying, "Their FUD is wrong, silly
>> people, but my FUD is right."  All the FUD is right.  It's just
>> cranked to 11.
>> So lets keep the blood out of our Alcohol systems while we decide how
>> to be irresponsible with high power energy weapons.
>> Remember, do not look in to laser with remaining good eye.
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com>
>> wrote:
>>         Listen folks,
>>         FUD.  FUD is the word of the day.  All I here is "I wanna
>>         laser engraver" and "FUD! FUD FUD FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD!"
>>         and then we don't get one.
>>         I want to address all the concerns with what I know, what you
>>         know, and I want to get a dialogue going, but I don't want
>>         this tool that everyone wants to be a big FUD Punching bag.
>>         I am not saying your concerns are invalid, but I am saying
>>         that if we bury all of our wishes in FUD, we won't get
>>         anything.
>>         There is a lot of reality involved with getting a Laser
>>         Engraver, but the FUD I am seeing is unrealistic.
>>         Lets get together, over beer, list out the concerns, address
>>         them one by one, talk about the options our list presents us,
>>         and then go about getting it.
>>         Because, until we meet, over beer that I am buying, I am going
>>         to ignore all the concerns and return to my happy bubble
>>         filled world.
>>         People, you all have good ideas, but they are being presented
>>         in a sensational way.  I am doing this as well so I am not
>>         innocent.  Ultimately, this is going to lead to people being
>>         too afraid to get anything and then baby Jesus is going to
>>         cry.
>>         Did I mention I am not just going to drown my problems in
>>         beer, but yours as well?
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