[Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus item for next week - Member- & Guest- Only Hours

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Thu Jul 14 20:03:31 UTC 2011

Actually, this rule would be far more enforceable than our current
solution to the sleeper/hangout problem. It's much easier to close up
shop when 11pm or midnight rolls around than it is to come in at 6am
to rouse any sleepers and make them leave.

Of course we can't perfectly enforce anything, but I see this as a
much easier way to address this problem. If anything, "be excellent to
each other" is hard to enforce but that doesn't mean it's not a good
rule to adopt.

One valid problem with this proposal is that there are nonmembers who
would like to use the space, which is why I'd like to negotiate on the
time and also allow members to have guests. Also, it only takes four
weeks to pass our membership process, which I don't think is that long
to have to have a member present only at the times they're at the
space late at night. This also encourages people to become members
rather than just making use of the space, and also discourages people
who don't know current members to use the space as an indefinite


On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:30 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>    i agree with both rachel and rubin: they've each
> said it well.
>    i sympathize with al, but his proposal is not
> enforceable and, if it were, does not allow for
> unpredictable cases (e.g. rachel's story).
>    consider the angle that if something bad happens,
> it's common to try to create a rule or some such to
> prevent the bad thing from recurring--resist that
> urge: the next bad thing will be different, and to
> set up rules to prevent bad things mainly just
> accumulates rules.
>    tolerate bad things, deal with them as they occur,
> persist, accept, do....
> On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 09:18 -0700, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>> My use case for noisebridge:
>> I joined discuss first, to get a feel for the place before coming by
>> in person.
>> I started coming around to help rachel m and jonathan moore with a
>> maker faire project last year. They gave me a key.
>> I hacked the motherfucking planet. Miloh and I pulled many late nights
>> working on my very first arduino project, a wireless wearable mouse
>> touchpad made out of fabric. This was, everyone told me, a very
>> ambitious first project. I could not have done it without working all
>> night for many nights in the pressure cooker of 2am.  Neither miloh or
>> I were members at the time.
>> Fast forward about 9 months. Someone that I was skeptical about was
>> inducted as a member. I decided if I cared so much I should be in a
>> position to block consensus.  I joined noisebridge.
>> I came to hack, without membership, and joined for the one priveledge
>> that membership affords.  Maybe this background makes me biased but I
>> can say with some certainty that if this rule had existed then I would
>> not be as big a part of the NB community today.  One of the big
>> problems I have with using techshop as a workspace is that you can't
>> have guests.
>> To a person who works a day job, stopping work at midnight might seem
>> reasonable. Everyone has different schedules, though, and I think that
>> late nights are the easiest time to get uninterrupted work done.
>> The reason I became a member was to add my voice to noisebridge's
>> evolution. I believe this step would be in the wrong direction.  Our
>> first rule is wise and all-encompassing. It would be a shame to make a
>> second rule that was narrow-sighted and unenforceable.
>> mediumreality.com
>> On Jul 13, 2011 8:15 AM, "Rubin Abdi" <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>> > Al Sweigart wrote, On 20110713 010030:
>> >> What I worry will happen is that we will be on top of this problem
>> for
>> >> a month, then forget about it, and then have it come up again six
>> >> months from now. It's way easier to make it a regular routine for
>> >> nonmembers to leave at 11pm or midnight than it is having people
>> come
>> >> in at 6am to check for sleepers. And if people have in mind a that
>> >> Noisebridge closes at 11pm, they won't have it on their mental list
>> of
>> >> late night party spaces.
>> >
>> > The idea of making people leave simply because they're a non-member
>> is
>> > not selling it for me.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Rubin Abdi
>> > rubin at starset.net
>> >
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