[Noisebridge-discuss] Kitchen cleanliness

girlgeek girlgeek at wt.net
Fri Jul 15 21:26:44 UTC 2011

I don't tend to use the dishwasher because,

    * When I use a dish I wash and put away two additional, not a full
      load.  That is more committment than I feel in exchange for a dish
      or 2.
    * The dishwasher generally looks full and clean.  It takes 2
      projects to deal with a dishwasher, 1 to load, 1 to unload.

I would vote for more drying rack before I would vote for a dishwasher.

On 7/15/2011 12:53 PM, Espen Sivertsen wrote:
> In terms of dishes, I would suggest installing a second dish-washer.
> Here is my take on the problem:
> 	- We are all lazy, and don't want to do our own dishes
> 	- Especially not if the sink is already full of dirty dishes
> 	- If the dishwasher is full we don't want to be the one to empty it
> 	- If I want to empty the dishwasher, I've no idea where things go
> Solution = 2 dishwashers. This would make it easier for people to put away dirty dishes, even when one is running. I can make reversible Clean/Dirty signs for each dishwasher - so it's easy to see what's what. This would also encourage people to habitually take stuff from the clean dishwashers rather than the cabinets, so creating a mini eco-system of cleanliness.
> We can get a dishwasher for around 400$ (though we might want to talk about energy and portability issues). If people are interested I will pitch in the first 100. I will need help to transport and install though.
> In the mean time, though I usually don't eat at NB, I will continue doing what I always do: wash one extra item and put it away.
> Best wishes,
> Espen
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:22 PM, jim wrote:
>> Thank you.
>>     I like Lennie and know him well enough to vouch
>> for him if he wants to be a member.
>>     This sleeping thing is a problem.
>>     I dislike rule-making. I like that people join
>> together to support each other. I'll try to do that--
>> i.e. show up in the early AM and roust sleepers
>>     The dishes are, in my view, the more serious
>> symptom (of what exactly I can't find the words--
>> something like neglect or not carrying one's
>> weight...). The only approach I can think of is to
>> yell out loud "who's dishes are these?" and go
>> around scowling at everybody while repeating the
>> question. I'm open to an improved approach.
>> On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:55 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
>>> I came to Noisebridge this morning to check for sleepers. I haven't
>>> done so in a while. There were about half a dozen people up and
>>> working on stuff, and two people crashed on couches and chairs.
>>> One them was Lennie, who's a new guy who started coming to the space a
>>> month or two ago. I bring this up in particular because this is the
>>> third time I've found him sleeping at the space. As usual, I woke him
>>> up and talked to him a bit about Noisebridge's sleeper problem and
>>> then asked him to leave. (When I wake people up and don't ask people
>>> to leave, they just go back to crashing at Noisebridge when I walk out
>>> the door. I've checked.)
>>> I was polite, he was polite. He explained that he was just taking a
>>> short nap and not sleeping (which was the same explanation he gave the
>>> first two times, and it wasn't very believable then either.) He said
>>> he thought it was disrespectful to wake people up and ask them to
>>> leave. He implied that people stopped hanging around the space because
>>> I was waking up sleepers in the morning (I usually arrive between 6am
>>> and 7am), and some other guilt-trip remarks. His stalling went on for
>>> about half an hour, but I kept replying that he's free to work all
>>> night at Noisebridge but needs to make plans for getting home before
>>> he gets sleepy, and that he still had to leave this morning. Lennie
>>> packed up and walked over to Mitch and spent another half hour
>>> explaining himself, and finally left. I left a little bit later. After
>>> I got on my bike and was riding away I noticed he was back at the
>>> Noisebridge gate.
>>> This isn't a one-off thing, and Lennie never said he'd stop doing it.
>>> Talking to him about doesn't phase him one bit. If this becomes a
>>> problem again (and tell me if it does), I'm going to tell Lennie to
>>> stop coming to Noisebridge.
>>> -Al
>>> Also, the sinks were full of dishes, there were fruit flies hovering
>>> around food that had been left out, and vegetables are being stored in
>>> unsealed containers again where the rats can get to them. On the plus
>>> side, the kitchen counters were clean and the hackers-to-sleepers
>>> ratio is a complete inversion of what it was a couple weeks ago.
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