[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeper problem.

Frantisek Apfelbeck algoldor at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 18 10:43:31 UTC 2011

And what about something like "capital dish punishment". If you are catch in the 
place sleeping you would be told not too and as a practical consequence of your 
"wrong' doing you would be enslaved to do dishes for hour or so. That may be 
handy and may sink in the memory bit better.



----- Original Message ----
From: jim <jim at well.com>
To: Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
Sent: Fri, July 15, 2011 8:22:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeper problem.

Thank you. 
    I like Lennie and know him well enough to vouch 
for him if he wants to be a member. 
    This sleeping thing is a problem. 
    I dislike rule-making. I like that people join 
together to support each other. I'll try to do that--
i.e. show up in the early AM and roust sleepers 
    The dishes are, in my view, the more serious 
symptom (of what exactly I can't find the words--
something like neglect or not carrying one's 
weight...). The only approach I can think of is to 
yell out loud "who's dishes are these?" and go 
around scowling at everybody while repeating the 
question. I'm open to an improved approach. 

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:55 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> I came to Noisebridge this morning to check for sleepers. I haven't
> done so in a while. There were about half a dozen people up and
> working on stuff, and two people crashed on couches and chairs.
> One them was Lennie, who's a new guy who started coming to the space a
> month or two ago. I bring this up in particular because this is the
> third time I've found him sleeping at the space. As usual, I woke him
> up and talked to him a bit about Noisebridge's sleeper problem and
> then asked him to leave. (When I wake people up and don't ask people
> to leave, they just go back to crashing at Noisebridge when I walk out
> the door. I've checked.)
> I was polite, he was polite. He explained that he was just taking a
> short nap and not sleeping (which was the same explanation he gave the
> first two times, and it wasn't very believable then either.) He said
> he thought it was disrespectful to wake people up and ask them to
> leave. He implied that people stopped hanging around the space because
> I was waking up sleepers in the morning (I usually arrive between 6am
> and 7am), and some other guilt-trip remarks. His stalling went on for
> about half an hour, but I kept replying that he's free to work all
> night at Noisebridge but needs to make plans for getting home before
> he gets sleepy, and that he still had to leave this morning. Lennie
> packed up and walked over to Mitch and spent another half hour
> explaining himself, and finally left. I left a little bit later. After
> I got on my bike and was riding away I noticed he was back at the
> Noisebridge gate.
> This isn't a one-off thing, and Lennie never said he'd stop doing it.
> Talking to him about doesn't phase him one bit. If this becomes a
> problem again (and tell me if it does), I'm going to tell Lennie to
> stop coming to Noisebridge.
> -Al
> Also, the sinks were full of dishes, there were fruit flies hovering
> around food that had been left out, and vegetables are being stored in
> unsealed containers again where the rats can get to them. On the plus
> side, the kitchen counters were clean and the hackers-to-sleepers
> ratio is a complete inversion of what it was a couple weeks ago.
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