[Noisebridge-discuss] Handy signs are handy.

Fri Jul 29 17:48:11 UTC 2011

Hey kids,

In my discussion with Liz and Danny about signs I did in fact touch upon the
points that 1. signs get removed or moved ALL THE DAMN TIME and 2.  no one
respects any signage due to the fact that they're not clear, not consistent,
and just printed paper taped to somewhere.  We're working on a branded,
systemic set of signs that will be laminated and nailed/screwed to walls and
other things so they cannot be easily moved or disregarded.  If you'd like
to be part of the sign development effort please join the soceng mailing
list, and speak to Liz or myself.

The soceng meeting will be a day next week that is NOT tuesday, since I
can't ever make Tuesday anything due to a preexisting regular commitment.
 It will probably be Wednesday or Thursday, I haven't decided yet.

PS:  Buying a laminator is hella crazy expensive, like several hundred
dollars for a shitty personal one and thousands for a good one (I've already
looked into this multiple times for other reasons, same thing with paper
cutters and binding machines), so unless someone is donating one to the
space, we are going to get them printed and laminated elsewhere.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

>
>
>    Thanks lots, Al, for your work.
>    Your offer of $1 a day seems to me to need some fine-tuning,
> mainly to specify particular signs, not just "the printed signs".
>    As to tagging, seemingly snarky (gratuitous) additions may
> reflect some reasonable criticism, sometimes a matter of the
> background attitude that the wording and graphic effect of the
> sign presents.
>    Maybe give some further thought to the design and wording of
> printed signs, including some aspect of printing that presents
> the sign as a finished graphic--while that presents a risk of
> doing extra work that gets trashed (i.e. tagged), a more polished
> finish may deter the more genuinely snarky changes.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:30 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> > The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary so much
> > as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just gets torn
> > down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication and
> > discourages people from putting up signs in the first place. It's not
> > like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and undoing
> > edits are trivial.
> >
> > Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to
> > Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being defaced or
> > torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying again if
> > they get tagged up.
> >
> > I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming. There's a
> > wiki page up too: nburl.net/signage
> >
> > -Al
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
> > > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an excellent
> piece of
> > >> feedback from the community about the quality, intentions, or
> placement of
> > >> the sign.  Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be pragmatic
> about it
> > >> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can improve
> against.
> > >>
> > >> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons... including exit
> > >> signs.  Anyone want to start a signage working group with me?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I think the best place for this would be on the social engineering
> list.
> > > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering
> > >
> > > Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday meeting (or
> > > the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up before then
> > > to brainstorm on it?)
> > >
> > > d.
> > >
> > >> mediumreality.com
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O'Brien" <danny at spesh.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less intimidating
> to
> > >>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space to make it
> more
> > >>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are, and provide
> > >>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing is glowing
> > >>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently (if you have
> a
> > >>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to email me
> > >>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage preserving the signs,
> > >>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without being defaced
> or
> > >>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that dollar, it'd be
> > >>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on improving
> the
> > >>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge), you might
> > >>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about getting a
> > >>> laminator as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement in the last
> > >>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I personally
> think
> > >>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in general I also
> > >>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also good. Liz's
> > >>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because someone is working
> > >>> on better versions of them, based on the written improvements. Our
> > >>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just
> > >>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than simply
> > >>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't working.
> > >>>
> > >>> d.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> -Al
> > >>>>
> > >>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the white HP inkjet
> > >>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's expensive (i.e.
> > >>>> overpriced by monopolistic bastards).
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