[Noisebridge-discuss] Handy signs are handy.
jim
jim at systemateka.com
Fri Jul 29 17:55:12 UTC 2011
Note Rachel's point that any tagging is a likely data
point. I believe most tagging indicates something, however
obscure.
I'd like to reiterate the idea of clearing an area
around a posted sign and add the notion of having fewer
signs and/or have signs deal with fewer topics.
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:48 -0700, Christina Olson wrote:
> Hey kids,
>
>
> In my discussion with Liz and Danny about signs I did in fact touch
> upon the points that 1. signs get removed or moved ALL THE DAMN TIME
> and 2. no one respects any signage due to the fact that they're not
> clear, not consistent, and just printed paper taped to somewhere.
> We're working on a branded, systemic set of signs that will be
> laminated and nailed/screwed to walls and other things so they cannot
> be easily moved or disregarded. If you'd like to be part of the sign
> development effort please join the soceng mailing list, and speak to
> Liz or myself.
>
>
> The soceng meeting will be a day next week that is NOT tuesday, since
> I can't ever make Tuesday anything due to a preexisting regular
> commitment. It will probably be Wednesday or Thursday, I haven't
> decided yet.
>
>
> PS: Buying a laminator is hella crazy expensive, like several hundred
> dollars for a shitty personal one and thousands for a good one (I've
> already looked into this multiple times for other reasons, same thing
> with paper cutters and binding machines), so unless someone is
> donating one to the space, we are going to get them printed and
> laminated elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks lots, Al, for your work.
> Your offer of $1 a day seems to me to need some
> fine-tuning,
> mainly to specify particular signs, not just "the printed
> signs".
> As to tagging, seemingly snarky (gratuitous) additions may
> reflect some reasonable criticism, sometimes a matter of the
> background attitude that the wording and graphic effect of the
> sign presents.
> Maybe give some further thought to the design and wording
> of
> printed signs, including some aspect of printing that presents
> the sign as a finished graphic--while that presents a risk of
> doing extra work that gets trashed (i.e. tagged), a more
> polished
> finish may deter the more genuinely snarky changes.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:30 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> > The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary
> so much
> > as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just
> gets torn
> > down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication
> and
> > discourages people from putting up signs in the first place.
> It's not
> > like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and
> undoing
> > edits are trivial.
> >
> > Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to
> > Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being
> defaced or
> > torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying
> again if
> > they get tagged up.
> >
> > I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming.
> There's a
> > wiki page up too: nburl.net/signage
> >
> > -Al
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien
> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
> > > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an
> excellent piece of
> > >> feedback from the community about the quality,
> intentions, or placement of
> > >> the sign. Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be
> pragmatic about it
> > >> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can
> improve against.
> > >>
> > >> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons...
> including exit
> > >> signs. Anyone want to start a signage working group with
> me?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I think the best place for this would be on the social
> engineering list.
> > >
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering
> > >
> > > Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday
> meeting (or
> > > the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up
> before then
> > > to brainstorm on it?)
> > >
> > > d.
> > >
> > >> mediumreality.com
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O'Brien"
> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart
> <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less
> intimidating to
> > >>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space
> to make it more
> > >>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are,
> and provide
> > >>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing
> is glowing
> > >>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently
> (if you have a
> > >>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to
> email me
> > >>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage
> preserving the signs,
> > >>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without
> being defaced or
> > >>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that
> dollar, it'd be
> > >>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on
> improving the
> > >>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge),
> you might
> > >>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about
> getting a
> > >>> laminator as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement
> in the last
> > >>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I
> personally think
> > >>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in
> general I also
> > >>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also
> good. Liz's
> > >>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because
> someone is working
> > >>> on better versions of them, based on the written
> improvements. Our
> > >>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just
> > >>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than
> simply
> > >>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't
> working.
> > >>>
> > >>> d.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> -Al
> > >>>>
> > >>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the
> white HP inkjet
> > >>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's
> expensive (i.e.
> > >>>> overpriced by monopolistic bastards).
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