[Noisebridge-discuss] for help Japan please use primarily Help-Japan mailing list and wiki

Thu Mar 17 13:40:15 UTC 2011

I think that there is something non-functioning in your head. Stop
trying to be patronizing and be accountable instead.

There is a grand total of five people on that mailing list. You're
asking for money not only on the Japan-Help list, but on the
Noisebridge-Discuss list. Since you're asking on both lists, it's
relevant to both lists. There is no discussion on the other list and
you're asking for help on the larger one. Guess what? I want to talk
about it here because you're asking for money here.

Can you answer my questions here please? You need to be accountable if
you're going to ask someone to send you to what is effectively
technology mecha.

- Colin

Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>>> How about keeping this on-list?
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>>> - Colin
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> That is what I do and what I suggested to you asking you to post it to 
> Japan-help list. 
>
>
> Sign in for the Japan-help list and post it there, I do not have time to do 
> everything I'm in the middle of food hacking tour having presentation in Hamburg 
> CCC in just few hours, another tomorrow in Amsterdam etc. 
>
>
> Or is there some functional problem with mailing list? I've tested the list, 
> posted and it works. The mailing list was created for the quick communication of 
> the community interested in this affair and the discussion was moved there on 
> purpose from the Noisebridge main discuss list so it doesn't make to much 
> "noise" based on quite intensive experience from Tastebrige etc. Updates are 
> posted by daily newsletter and main core is on the wiki here
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Direct_Disaster_Response_to_Japan
>
> Everyone is more than welcome to fallow but again I do not want to post than let 
> say once per day to the main discuss list, it is just creating noise.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Frantisek
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:07:29 PM
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky 
> - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]
>
> How about keeping this on-list?
>
> - Colin
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/
> novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011
> Date:     Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From:     Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
> To:     Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> References:     <519648.62096.qm at web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> <4D81A170.6030804 at keyboardcowboy.ca>
>
>
>
> Hi Colin,
> Just shortly.
>
> Next time please send the emails like this directly to the Japan-help mailing 
> list so it can be sorted out efficiently.
>
> I've planed  to go to Japan for a while already, so I'm rather speeding my 
> leave.
>
> It is certainly not just me, as you can see from creating wiki, mailing list etc 
>
> who is being involved, it is a community of people who wants to do something and 
>
> now their are looking what and how in a hacker/open source/slow food movements 
> ways..
>
> I'm a food hacker, in other words skilled, very well trained biotechnologist, 
> traveling/studying and working in the field around the world for many years whit 
>
> excellent recommendations from scientific, volunteer and hacker perspective.
>
> What exactly and how we will do in Japan is now being "constructed" by community 
>
> which came together around this project already, the hacker and slow food 
> movement will be my targeted group to cooperate with.
>
> That should answer the basic questions, some of them were however already tarted 
>
> in the last news letter 16/3/2011. People who supports me knows me, they trust 
> me because of different reasons. If you like to discuss it further please post 
> your email and my answer to the mailing list we can go from there on.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Frantisek
>
> PS I've been working under quite critical conditions before, however not 
> directly in regions after catastrophe. I've quickly realized that the first 
> several weeks are for "professional only" meaning helping on the spot and that 
> is not my job, at least not for this event (again knowledge of the community 
> which started to gather around this project). We will prepare during this time 
> to help with the rebuild phase and you can be sure that there is an incredible 
> potential for the open source/hacker/slow food movement to help in a very 
> positive way and I'm sure based on my experience that I can contribute a lot 
> that is a matter of fact. Lots of people are thinking the same and based on my 
> portfolio online you should be able to see this even without knowing me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:51:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky - 
> pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011
>
> I've been following what you've been posting on this mailing list and I
> have one question for you: what can you do that aid agencies cannot?
>
> Here's what Japan needs to do:
> - Recover whatever bodies that have been left by the earthquake and
> following tsunami and aftershocks.
> - Get a handle on the nuclear crisis facing their reactors.
> - Rebuild infrastructure once the first two points are addressed.
>
> What are you going to do as one single person do to fix this? Putting
> together some Arduinos or creating some Python code is not going to get
> people recovered from the rubble nor fix the fuel rods from melting into
> the Earth. Everything that you have said so far stinks of a scam and if
> not at least disaster tourism.
>
> Reading your entry on the NB wiki doesn't tell me much about what good
> reasons you have for going there. Here's a quote from the entry in question:
>
> "I also want to learn how the Japanese organize their disaster response
> work because they are probably the best in the world at it. At the same
> time, I want to create/improve an alternative disaster response concept."
>
> What sort of credentials do you have for requiring this? What is it that
> in the Czech Republic where I presume you live requires you to have this
> know-how? The biggest problem the Czech people face is flooding as the
> geology of the country is rather stable. Being that flooding is a common
> occurrence, I cannot think of why a basic education at a local school
> regarding this topic would not provide you with this information. How
> can you convince me that this is the best course of action instead of
> donating my money to aid agencies?
>
> And on the remark about aid agencies, why haven't you opted to go to
> Japan and assist via that? There are means of assisting without having
> to ask people for money. There are scores of people from my country
> ready to leave and assist with major disasters. Why do you feel the need
> to go to Japan in particular and say not Haiti or a country that needs
> help from western nations? Where were you for the disasters that need
> outside help the most?
>
> Honestly, Japan needs outside support in a lot of ways, but I think that
> you're going either for "e-peen" reasons, disaster tourism, or just
> simply as a scam; and for that you're not needed there. Anybody who has
> donated money to you has certainly been fooled.
>
> Here's my half-asleep rant for you all.
>
> - Colin
>
> Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>   
>>  
>> (EN/CZ)
>>
>> EN
>>
>> Newslist – Direct Disaster Response Japan
>>
>> Hi to All!
>> Today was done a major progress in several fields. Here are the bullet points, 
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>> for more info please write to me or post to the mailing list on the wiki
>>
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Direct_Disaster_Response_to_Japan
>>
>> - advice from a professionals in disaster response: the area of the disaster 
>> should not been entered by non trained people as long as the profesional 
>> disaster teams are in at work (3-6 weeks or longer)
>>
>>
>> - considerable increase in the budget funding, donations received on 16/3/2011 
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>> = 
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>> $655
>>
>> - personal wordpress account was created and set, which can be later on used to 
>>
>>
>> present the activities fro m the spot (or new more communal word press page can 
>>
>>
>> be created) (dead line for up load Direct Disaster Response to Japan project 
>> 19/3/2011 midnight)
>>
>> - contact to Tokyo hacker space was established, center will be contacted 
>> within 
>>
>> 48 hours
>>
>> - the English version of wiki was edited/corrected (by Owen)
>>
>> - total donation balance on 16/3/2011 = $881
>>
>>
>> That is a basic info about today, I hope to give you more of the „plan“ 
>> tomorrow, however I can say already that the seting up a connection and 
>> hopefully cooperation with Tokyo hacker center will be very important for 
>> further planing.
>>
>> Thank you all for the support!
>> Sincerely,
>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>
>>
>> (CZ)
>>
>> Zdravim ve spolek! 
>> Dnes bylo dosazeno pokroku v nekolika klicovych oblastech. Zde je info, pro 
>> podrobnejsi informace mi prosim napiste osobne ci radeji poslete zpravu na 
>> mailing list.
>>
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Direct_Disaster_Response_to_Japan
>>
>> - rada profesionalu v oboru zvladani katastrof: do oblasti katastrofy by se 
>> nemel snazit dostat nikdo s vyjimkou profesionalnich tymu, ktere zarizuji 
>> zajisteni situace (plati po dobu 3-6 tydnu)
>>
>> - znacne navyseni rozpostu, donace obdrzene 16/3/2011= $655
>>
>> - personalni wordpress ucet byl vytvoren a otestovan za ucelem mozneho vyuziti 
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>> pro reportaz z Japonska (novy vice komunalni ucet muze byt vytvoren pozdeji, 
>> uzaverka uploadu pro projekt Prime odpovedi na katastrofu v Japonsku bude 
>> pulnoc 
>>
>> 19/3/2011)
>>
>> - byl ziskan kontakt na Tokyo hacker space, bude kontaktovano do 48 hours
>>
>> - anglicka verze wiki byla gramaticky a editacne zkontrolovana Owenem
>>
>> - celkova balance donaci do 16/3/2011 (vcetne) = 15858 Kc
>>
>>
>> Toto je pro dnesek vse. Zitra se Vam pokusim predlozit plan na dalsi postup, uz 
>>
>>
>> ted mohu rici, ze kontaktovani a spoluprace s Tokyjskym hacker centrm bude 
>> jednou z priorit.
>>
>> S pozdravem a pranim prijemneho dne,
>>
>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck 
>>
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