[Noisebridge-discuss] for help Japan please use primarily Help-Japan mailing list and wiki

Thu Mar 17 13:35:07 UTC 2011

>>How about keeping this on-list?

>> - Colin

That is what I do and what I suggested to you asking you to post it to 
Japan-help list. 

Sign in for the Japan-help list and post it there, I do not have time to do 
everything I'm in the middle of food hacking tour having presentation in Hamburg 
CCC in just few hours, another tomorrow in Amsterdam etc. 

Or is there some functional problem with mailing list? I've tested the list, 
posted and it works. The mailing list was created for the quick communication of 
the community interested in this affair and the discussion was moved there on 
purpose from the Noisebridge main discuss list so it doesn't make to much 
"noise" based on quite intensive experience from Tastebrige etc. Updates are 
posted by daily newsletter and main core is on the wiki here

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Direct_Disaster_Response_to_Japan

Everyone is more than welcome to fallow but again I do not want to post than let 
say once per day to the main discuss list, it is just creating noise.

Sincerely,

Frantisek

----- Original Message ----
From: Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:07:29 PM
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky 
- pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]

How about keeping this on-list?

- Colin

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/
novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011
Date:     Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
From:     Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
To:     Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
References:     <519648.62096.qm at web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<4D81A170.6030804 at keyboardcowboy.ca>

Hi Colin,
Just shortly.

Next time please send the emails like this directly to the Japan-help mailing 
list so it can be sorted out efficiently.

I've planed  to go to Japan for a while already, so I'm rather speeding my 
leave.

It is certainly not just me, as you can see from creating wiki, mailing list etc 

who is being involved, it is a community of people who wants to do something and 

now their are looking what and how in a hacker/open source/slow food movements 
ways..

I'm a food hacker, in other words skilled, very well trained biotechnologist, 
traveling/studying and working in the field around the world for many years whit 

excellent recommendations from scientific, volunteer and hacker perspective.

What exactly and how we will do in Japan is now being "constructed" by community 

which came together around this project already, the hacker and slow food 
movement will be my targeted group to cooperate with.

That should answer the basic questions, some of them were however already tarted 

in the last news letter 16/3/2011. People who supports me knows me, they trust 
me because of different reasons. If you like to discuss it further please post 
your email and my answer to the mailing list we can go from there on.

Sincerely,

Frantisek

PS I've been working under quite critical conditions before, however not 
directly in regions after catastrophe. I've quickly realized that the first 
several weeks are for "professional only" meaning helping on the spot and that 
is not my job, at least not for this event (again knowledge of the community 
which started to gather around this project). We will prepare during this time 
to help with the rebuild phase and you can be sure that there is an incredible 
potential for the open source/hacker/slow food movement to help in a very 
positive way and I'm sure based on my experience that I can contribute a lot 
that is a matter of fact. Lots of people are thinking the same and based on my 
portfolio online you should be able to see this even without knowing me.

----- Original Message ----
From: Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:51:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky - 
pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011

I've been following what you've been posting on this mailing list and I
have one question for you: what can you do that aid agencies cannot?

Here's what Japan needs to do:
- Recover whatever bodies that have been left by the earthquake and
following tsunami and aftershocks.
- Get a handle on the nuclear crisis facing their reactors.
- Rebuild infrastructure once the first two points are addressed.

What are you going to do as one single person do to fix this? Putting
together some Arduinos or creating some Python code is not going to get
people recovered from the rubble nor fix the fuel rods from melting into
the Earth. Everything that you have said so far stinks of a scam and if
not at least disaster tourism.

Reading your entry on the NB wiki doesn't tell me much about what good
reasons you have for going there. Here's a quote from the entry in question:

"I also want to learn how the Japanese organize their disaster response
work because they are probably the best in the world at it. At the same
time, I want to create/improve an alternative disaster response concept."

What sort of credentials do you have for requiring this? What is it that
in the Czech Republic where I presume you live requires you to have this
know-how? The biggest problem the Czech people face is flooding as the
geology of the country is rather stable. Being that flooding is a common
occurrence, I cannot think of why a basic education at a local school
regarding this topic would not provide you with this information. How
can you convince me that this is the best course of action instead of
donating my money to aid agencies?

And on the remark about aid agencies, why haven't you opted to go to
Japan and assist via that? There are means of assisting without having
to ask people for money. There are scores of people from my country
ready to leave and assist with major disasters. Why do you feel the need
to go to Japan in particular and say not Haiti or a country that needs
help from western nations? Where were you for the disasters that need
outside help the most?

Honestly, Japan needs outside support in a lot of ways, but I think that
you're going either for "e-peen" reasons, disaster tourism, or just
simply as a scam; and for that you're not needed there. Anybody who has
donated money to you has certainly been fooled.

Here's my half-asleep rant for you all.

- Colin

Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>  
> (EN/CZ)
>
> EN
>
> Newslist – Direct Disaster Response Japan
>
> Hi to All!
> Today was done a major progress in several fields. Here are the bullet points, 

> for more info please write to me or post to the mailing list on the wiki
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Direct_Disaster_Response_to_Japan
>
> - advice from a professionals in disaster response: the area of the disaster 
> should not been entered by non trained people as long as the profesional 
> disaster teams are in at work (3-6 weeks or longer)
>
>
> - considerable increase in the budget funding, donations received on 16/3/2011 

>= 
>
> $655
>
> - personal wordpress account was created and set, which can be later on used to 
>
>
> present the activities fro m the spot (or new more communal word press page can 
>
>
> be created) (dead line for up load Direct Disaster Response to Japan project 
> 19/3/2011 midnight)
>
> - contact to Tokyo hacker space was established, center will be contacted 
>within 
>
> 48 hours
>
> - the English version of wiki was edited/corrected (by Owen)
>
> - total donation balance on 16/3/2011 = $881
>
>
> That is a basic info about today, I hope to give you more of the „plan“ 
> tomorrow, however I can say already that the seting up a connection and 
> hopefully cooperation with Tokyo hacker center will be very important for 
> further planing.
>
> Thank you all for the support!
> Sincerely,
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
> (CZ)
>
> Zdravim ve spolek! 
> Dnes bylo dosazeno pokroku v nekolika klicovych oblastech. Zde je info, pro 
> podrobnejsi informace mi prosim napiste osobne ci radeji poslete zpravu na 
> mailing list.
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Direct_Disaster_Response_to_Japan
>
> - rada profesionalu v oboru zvladani katastrof: do oblasti katastrofy by se 
> nemel snazit dostat nikdo s vyjimkou profesionalnich tymu, ktere zarizuji 
> zajisteni situace (plati po dobu 3-6 tydnu)
>
> - znacne navyseni rozpostu, donace obdrzene 16/3/2011= $655
>
> - personalni wordpress ucet byl vytvoren a otestovan za ucelem mozneho vyuziti 

> pro reportaz z Japonska (novy vice komunalni ucet muze byt vytvoren pozdeji, 
> uzaverka uploadu pro projekt Prime odpovedi na katastrofu v Japonsku bude 
>pulnoc 
>
> 19/3/2011)
>
> - byl ziskan kontakt na Tokyo hacker space, bude kontaktovano do 48 hours
>
> - anglicka verze wiki byla gramaticky a editacne zkontrolovana Owenem
>
> - celkova balance donaci do 16/3/2011 (vcetne) = 15858 Kc
>
>
> Toto je pro dnesek vse. Zitra se Vam pokusim predlozit plan na dalsi postup, uz 
>
>
> ted mohu rici, ze kontaktovani a spoluprace s Tokyjskym hacker centrm bude 
> jednou z priorit.
>
> S pozdravem a pranim prijemneho dne,
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck 
>
>
>      
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