[Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]

[jim]

    colin's questions seem worth answering on the 
noisebridge-discuss list, they're certainly frankly 
written. 
    i'd like to add: do you plan to travel as you 
usually do? if so, how will you avoid being a drain 
to the regions you visit? note that red cross and 
other relief organizations are bringing their own 
water and food. 
    myself, i worry about you and the few japanese 
you might rely on in this case. did you consider 
joining one of the relief organizations? 


On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 06:29 -0700, Colin Keigher wrote:
> Frantisek,
> 
> Keeping it off of that list and keeping it here is a better idea I find.
> You're the only one posting on that other mailing list and I am not
> going to bother to add myself to a seemingly small list that nobody else
> is looking at. How about some openness and accountability here? You're
> not helping to convince me to support your cause here.
> 
> Keep your responses here and not on the dead mailing list.
> 
> My responses are inline.
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: 	Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/
> > novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011
> > Date: 	Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: 	Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
> > To: 	Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> > References: 	<519648.62096.qm at web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > <4D81A170.6030804 at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Colin,
> > Just shortly.
> >
> > Next time please send the emails like this directly to the Japan-help mailing 
> > list so it can be sorted out efficiently.
> >   
> Again, see my point above.
> > I've planed  to go to Japan for a while already, so I'm rather speeding my 
> > leave.
> >   
> How much have you raised pre-spamming?
> > It is certainly not just me, as you can see from creating wiki, mailing list etc 
> > who is being involved, it is a community of people who wants to do something and 
> > now their are looking what and how in a hacker/open source/slow food movements 
> > ways..
> >   
> This doesn't answer my question, why should YOU be the one to go to
> Japan? It smells of disaster tourism to me.
> > I'm a food hacker, in other words skilled, very well trained biotechnologist, 
> > traveling/studying and working in the field around the world for many years whit 
> > excellent recommendations from scientific, volunteer and hacker perspective.
> >   
> Are you an accredited biotechnologist or are you someone who has simply
> studied it? Can we have some examples of these recommendations and a
> source to back them up?
> > What exactly and how we will do in Japan is now being "constructed" by community 
> > which came together around this project already, the hacker and slow food 
> > movement will be my targeted group to cooperate with.
> >   
> Japan is not a third-world nation unlike Haiti which needs people who
> have these purported skills you claim. While there are food shortage
> issues, it is not going to be like a third-world nation that had no
> infrastructure to begin with. Again, your reasons don't seem to make
> very much sense.
> > That should answer the basic questions, some of them were however already tarted 
> > in the last news letter 16/3/2011. People who supports me knows me, they trust 
> > me because of different reasons. If you like to discuss it further please post 
> > your email and my answer to the mailing list we can go from there on.
> >   
> Can we have a list of donors? I would like to know who has donated and
> from where. Again, accountability is key here since you're begging
> people for money to send you to a foreign country that has a rather
> decent infrastructure. I don't see you leaving Tokyo or any other
> metropolitan area very much.
> 
> Where were you with Haiti? They're the ones with a food shortage here.
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Frantisek
> >
> > PS I've been working under quite critical conditions before, however not 
> > directly in regions after catastrophe. I've quickly realized that the first 
> > several weeks are for "professional only" meaning helping on the spot and that 
> > is not my job, at least not for this event (again knowledge of the community 
> > which started to gather around this project). We will prepare during this time 
> > to help with the rebuild phase and you can be sure that there is an incredible 
> > potential for the open source/hacker/slow food movement to help in a very 
> > positive way and I'm sure based on my experience that I can contribute a lot 
> > that is a matter of fact. Lots of people are thinking the same and based on my 
> > portfolio online you should be able to see this even without knowing me.
> >   
> I did Google for you and it still doesn't seem to back up any reason to
> send you money. How about you stop being so patronizing and answer the
> questions without being rhetorical?
> 
> - Colin
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