[Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]

Thu Mar 17 16:57:53 UTC 2011

Hi Jim,
I'll answer what I can and I believe that I di partly already but what I say is 
that I'll update Noisebridge community once per day on regular basis and not 
every hour, I just do not have time for that.

As you can see from yesterday post I should not go directly to the critical 
regions immediately. I plan rather work with the hackers in Japan and slow food 
movement entities to prepare for the build up efforts after the profesionals 
are  out and the interest of media is gone too.

I'll be posting later on today, answering what I can,

Sincerely,

Frantisek

PS The major issue with Colin are not the questions but rather direct 
accusations from beginning and ignoring people who work on this already thinking 
that his opinion is somehow more relevant and more important. That is at least 
as I understood to his posts (and not only me) and I really do not have time for 
that because I've hardly time to answer and coordinate people who bring effort 
and money in, he does not, at least not until now. 

----- Original Message ----
From: jim <jim at systemateka.com>
To: Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 5:05:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ 
novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]

    colin's questions seem worth answering on the 
noisebridge-discuss list, they're certainly frankly 
written. 
    i'd like to add: do you plan to travel as you 
usually do? if so, how will you avoid being a drain 
to the regions you visit? note that red cross and 
other relief organizations are bringing their own 
water and food. 
    myself, i worry about you and the few japanese 
you might rely on in this case. did you consider 
joining one of the relief organizations? 

On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 06:29 -0700, Colin Keigher wrote:
> Frantisek,
> 
> Keeping it off of that list and keeping it here is a better idea I find.
> You're the only one posting on that other mailing list and I am not
> going to bother to add myself to a seemingly small list that nobody else
> is looking at. How about some openness and accountability here? You're
> not helping to convince me to support your cause here.
> 
> Keep your responses here and not on the dead mailing list.
> 
> My responses are inline.
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject:     Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/
> > novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011
> > Date:     Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > From:     Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
> > To:     Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> > References:     <519648.62096.qm at web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > <4D81A170.6030804 at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Colin,
> > Just shortly.
> >
> > Next time please send the emails like this directly to the Japan-help mailing 
>
> > list so it can be sorted out efficiently.
> >  
> Again, see my point above.
> > I've planed  to go to Japan for a while already, so I'm rather speeding my 
> > leave.
> >  
> How much have you raised pre-spamming?
> > It is certainly not just me, as you can see from creating wiki, mailing list 
>etc 
>
> > who is being involved, it is a community of people who wants to do something 
>and 
>
> > now their are looking what and how in a hacker/open source/slow food 
>movements 
>
> > ways..
> >  
> This doesn't answer my question, why should YOU be the one to go to
> Japan? It smells of disaster tourism to me.
> > I'm a food hacker, in other words skilled, very well trained biotechnologist, 
>
> > traveling/studying and working in the field around the world for many years 
>whit 
>
> > excellent recommendations from scientific, volunteer and hacker perspective.
> >  
> Are you an accredited biotechnologist or are you someone who has simply
> studied it? Can we have some examples of these recommendations and a
> source to back them up?
> > What exactly and how we will do in Japan is now being "constructed" by 
>community 
>
> > which came together around this project already, the hacker and slow food 
> > movement will be my targeted group to cooperate with.
> >  
> Japan is not a third-world nation unlike Haiti which needs people who
> have these purported skills you claim. While there are food shortage
> issues, it is not going to be like a third-world nation that had no
> infrastructure to begin with. Again, your reasons don't seem to make
> very much sense.
> > That should answer the basic questions, some of them were however already 
>tarted 
>
> > in the last news letter 16/3/2011. People who supports me knows me, they 
>trust 
>
> > me because of different reasons. If you like to discuss it further please 
>post 
>
> > your email and my answer to the mailing list we can go from there on.
> >  
> Can we have a list of donors? I would like to know who has donated and
> from where. Again, accountability is key here since you're begging
> people for money to send you to a foreign country that has a rather
> decent infrastructure. I don't see you leaving Tokyo or any other
> metropolitan area very much.
> 
> Where were you with Haiti? They're the ones with a food shortage here.
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Frantisek
> >
> > PS I've been working under quite critical conditions before, however not 
> > directly in regions after catastrophe. I've quickly realized that the first 
> > several weeks are for "professional only" meaning helping on the spot and 
>that 
>
> > is not my job, at least not for this event (again knowledge of the community 

> > which started to gather around this project). We will prepare during this 
>time 
>
> > to help with the rebuild phase and you can be sure that there is an 
>incredible 
>
> > potential for the open source/hacker/slow food movement to help in a very 
> > positive way and I'm sure based on my experience that I can contribute a lot 

> > that is a matter of fact. Lots of people are thinking the same and based on 
>my 
>
> > portfolio online you should be able to see this even without knowing me.
> >  
> I did Google for you and it still doesn't seem to back up any reason to
> send you money. How about you stop being so patronizing and answer the
> questions without being rhetorical?
> 
> - Colin
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