[Noisebridge-discuss] Self Defense

Fri Mar 25 23:09:15 UTC 2011

All right, well, just wanted to see if anybody was interested in
philosophizing and then trying to execute some scenarios.  Thought i'd ask,
thanks for the input.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:54 PM, VonGuard <vonguard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ahem.... Jeet Kun Do was invented in OAKLAND.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeet Kun Do was (arguably) invented in San Francisco, there are many
>> studios that teach it :) likewise, there are several MMA studios -- mostly
>> "MMA" means you'll learn Muy Thai and BJJ and then some cross-training for
>> both of those.  The martial arts community here is often not
>> well-represented online, so you may have to actually walk around in real
>> life in order to find this stuff.
>>
>> There's a Krav studio up just off Van Ness at like California?  At least
>> one Noisebridger I know used to work out there...
>>
>> --S
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:02 PM, seidos <kdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It could be said that "Jeet Kune Do" or MMA is a self defense hack of
>>> whatever martial arts systems work within a particular setting or situation.
>>>  But i'm not aware of any place in the bay area that really teaches that.
>>>  The closest i can think of in terms of a particular martial school of
>>> thought would be Krav Magra but i'm not sure where there are any in the
>>> Noisebridge area.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I think that rather than focusing on whether a particular activity
>>>> is "hacking" or not, we talk about whether it's an appropriate use of a
>>>> venue which exists to serve the needs of a community of hackers; and in my
>>>> experience, martial arts is definitely a Hacker Interest (tho mostly as
>>>> something hackers *know* about, rather than something hackers *do*
>>>> necessarily).
>>>>
>>>> That said, there are lots of great martial arts studios in San Francisco
>>>> -- some of the best Kung Fu and BJJ studios in the world, in fact, and
>>>> quantum martial arts is nice and friendly and right up at 20th and mission
>>>> -- so it seems redundant to teach homespun martial arts classes unless we
>>>> can genuinely come up with a serious "hacker spin" -- "self defense for
>>>> pudgy, under-muscled software engineers" for example...
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in a western martial arts spin; and you can absolutely
>>>> tie that into hackerdom because it can double as LARP research :)
>>>>
>>>> --S
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Forrest Flanagan <
>>>> solenoidclock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Padding and cross training, respectively.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just think it's a stretch to say that a thing which is studied, or
>>>>> even improved upon, is being hacked. I don't think it's accurate to say that
>>>>> practicing martial arts or even practicing variants that you think would
>>>>> work better could be called hacking. I don't think that using software on a
>>>>> graphing calculator or studying abacus use is a hack for mathematics either.
>>>>> There may be abacus and graphing calculator hacks, respectively, but math is
>>>>> still math just as defense is still defense.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a crappy argument though, and it has nothing to do with whether or
>>>>> not people want to learn self defense at a hackerspace.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One could hack martial arts to be less painful or combine multiple
>>>>>> types of martial arts to have a non lethal hand to hand combat system.
>>>>>> Just saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Forrest Flanagan <
>>>>>> solenoidclock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is this hacking? Like is he going to teach some techniques for
>>>>>>> incapacitating someone with a leatherman multi-tool or something? Maybe
>>>>>>> point out existing flaws in various martial arts techniques?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You see officer, he tried to social engineer me out of my wallet
>>>>>>> with a hacked beer bottle so I penetration tested his abdomen with these
>>>>>>> here wire strippers"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 3:35 AM, seidos <kdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is anyone interested in "self-defense" hacking?  i have a friend
>>>>>>>> that teaches Jujitsu, another friend that teaches Aikido, and i have had
>>>>>>>> training in tae kwan do and BJJ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> with metta,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> seidos
>>>>>>>> http://accesstoinsight.org
>>>>>>>> http://fictionalphilosophy.org
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos
>>>>>>>> http://launchpad.net/~seidos
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> Shannon Lee
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>>>>
>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
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>>> with metta,
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>>> seidos
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>>> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos
>>> http://launchpad.net/~seidos
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>> --
>> Shannon Lee
>> (503) 539-3700
>>
>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
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