[Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand

Alex alex.glowaski at gmail.com
Sat Nov 19 17:10:52 UTC 2011

I'd add goal #12 - in order to make it more self-supporting, choose a craft (or several) that can be easily taught, manufactured on-site, and exported.

From reading the wiki, it looks we're expecting a monetary return (to "garnish" in order to pay back initial donors). For centuries, monks have been paying for imported goods this way, and modern intentional communities have picked up on it... One is mentioned already in the wiki, and I know of another (Twin Oaks) that supported itself in part by selling handmade hammocks to Pier One. The Shakers and the Amish also do this. 

What can we sell? Repairs? Boats? Specially-designed LED lighting? Something reasonably interesting and easy, which is desirable and in line with progressive values. 

I suggest producing sustainable solar, wind, and human-powered energy sources. It sounds like solar energy is of interest, and it's widely seen as exceesively expensive, so we could start by producing fairly low-cost "plug and play" units. We could also make bike generators - a longtime interest of mine, though I have no idea where to get started. Very useful for people to learn, great to own, and we could easily get donated bikes (regular and stationary-exercise types), as well as possibly motors of various types. Newbies can easily help out with one, then more steps of the process, as they learn about electricity and welding. All these products are also great to have around in a secluded spot, and completely quiet - except for the grunting of bicyclists...

Of course, the difficulty is exporting them - but that mainly applies to the bike generators. Perhaps we could produce kits. 

Make your world!

On Nov 19, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would stress the point three (3. Gardening, Farming, Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mushroom growing). Some stable climate ecosystem would be a good idea. I think that Rikke was mentioning in the past that the Redwoods natural forest ecosystems which can be found in Northern California are suppose to be extremely stable, which means probably thousands or tenths of thousands years of "no worries". In todays times of climate change it would have an extra value.
> Sincerely,
> Frantisek
> From: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> To: Jake <jake at spaz.org> 
> Cc: Asa Dodsworth <moped45 at gmail.com>; colin dodsworth <colin_dodsworth at hotmail.com>; Aaron Winett <aaron at spaz.org>; "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net> 
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand
> 11. Arts and technology retreat or residency, offering people who are doing work we like a place to focus on that work and food to eat while they do it (and a fat internet pipe in the woods).
> mediumreality.com
> On Nov 18, 2011 6:22 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> By early I would guess he is saying we should talk more about goals needs
> etc. before going shopping.
> yes, let's talk about such things.  What would you like NoiseLand to be like?  What are your goals?
> I think that many of us City-dwellers would be unable to dedicate ourselves full-time to such a project, but by banding together with a like-minded community as we have done, we can create a resource for all of us.
> Depending on what size and kind of land we get, we could have from a medium-sized garden to a large-scale agricultural operation.  I would like to see something in the middle, where the land would be able to produce at least enough food for the people living there.
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/NoiseLand
> is a wiki, so people can add their own ideas to the page itself, but really we should continue to talk about it in this thread or on a separate Noiseland-discuss list, if one gets created.  But for now it should stay here.
> You mention that you can get cheap land if you're willing to die alone, cold and hungry on top of a mountain, but before Noisebridge found a rental space I did not believe that we could afford anything close to the mission, or any BART station.  I have been proven wrong, but now I know that we could buy an A+ parcel of land without comprimise by pooling our resources.
> I have added your list of attributes to consider to the wiki, and now i'm adding a Proposed uses and purposes of NoiseLand.  I invite others to do the same but they should also post such ideas to this thread, since otherwise people may not notice who have "already read" the wiki.
> 1. A place for people from the Noisebridge community to go to get away from the city
> 2. A place for people from the Noisebridge and NoiseLand community to live and work
> 3. Gardening, Farming, Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mushroom growing
> 4. A base from which to hunt wild animals and pick wild mushrooms
> 5. Somewhere to build giant projects
> 6. A place to experiment with solar energy collection
> 7. Robot Orange Pickers
> 8. Drugs and wild parties in the woods
> 9. Naked all the time
> 10. All the benefits of owning a giant parcel of land but shared responsibility and cost
> I dare you to add #11
> -jake
> P.S. also, your dog.
> Distance from city - geographic, driving time. Distance from medical
> services. Growing season. Terrain (hilliness, arability, suitability for
> proposed uses). Water supply. Availability of services (power, internet,
> sewage, roads/maintenance). Poison oak, or no?
> There is lots of amazing land in california, and if you are willing to cling
> to a mountaintop it's pretty cheap. It might be helpful to narrow down what
> it's for and what the parameters are before picking a region.
> R.
> mediumreality.com
> On Nov 18, 2011 4:17 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>      What do you mean by Early? áI don't understand.
>      I looked for Jupiter, CA on google maps and it didn't come up,
>      it's too bad because it would be really cool to convince all the
>      other hackerspaces that we have an outpost on Jupiter.
>      Whats the environment like out there? áI prefer temperatures
>      between 50 and 90 degrees. áI guess i will look at google maps
>      and see what color it is from space.
>      It's true that 40 minutes down a dirt road is a bit much,
>      although i would be okay with 20 personally. áBut it really
>      depends on the other merits of the land.. lush and green, or tan
>      and rocky make all the difference.
>      On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, michael o wrote:
>            this sounds like a great idea! though it is early
>            for looking for property,
>            might I suggest looking in Tuolumne county 3 hours
>            east of SF. my family has
>            land out in the 'suburb' called 'Jupiter' though 40
>            minutes down a dirt road
>            is not really what you are looking for but I there
>            are other spots near and
>            around, including down out by James town going
>            toward wards ferry. álook at
>            a map and check it out, it'sábeautifuláout there and
>            the land is cheap.á
>            On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Jake
>            <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>            á á áI have been inspired to create NoiseLand, a
>            wiki page which will
>            á á áhopefully
>            á á álead to the purchase of a large parcel of land
>            in Northern
>            á á áCalifornia.
>            á á áhttps://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/NoiseLand
>            á á áIf we have enough resources, someone should
>            create a NoiseLand
>            á á ádiscussion
>            á á álist, to supplement the wiki page. áBut let the
>            discussion begin
>            á á áhere and
>            á á ánow.
>            á á á-jake
>            á á áBen wrote:
>            á á á> I am curious as to your ideas for sustainable
>            community
>            á á áliving. See,
>            á á á> it's really hard to consume no processed or
>            produced goods and
>            á á ámake
>            á á á> everything yourself when one lives as our
>            society has
>            á á ádictated: as
>            á á á> consumers. As consumers we are all sealed off
>            in our own
>            á á álittle boxes
>            á á á> (prisons actually or one might say the cave)
>            scrabbling to get
>            á á áthe
>            á á á> latest shiny and fuck everybody else, it's
>            all about me son
>            á á áalong with
>            á á á> the sure belief that no matter what, it
>            surely is someone
>            á á áelse's fault.
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