[Noisebridge-discuss] Notes for 11/22/11 Meeting

rachel lyra hospodar rachelyra at gmail.com
Wed Nov 23 06:02:59 UTC 2011

I'm curious what conversation happened re noisetor & finances, would anyone
care to elaborate?

We were led to believe there'd be some kind of reporting.  In fact, the
project wiki page says there should be.  (Andy, the relevant portion quoted
below for your extreme convenience)

I am curious if we can get the things that are promised in that agreement?
I took this project and its fiscal sponsorship seriously when it began, and
believe in its goals, but am a little disappointed at the lack of
follow-through.  Yes, reporting is important. Please respect the agreements
we make together.


"The Bookkeeper will be responsible for maintaining publicly accessible
records (e.g., in a Google Docs Spreadsheet, or on the Noisebridge wiki)
detailing aggregate incoming donations (e.g., "For the week of blah,
received $n"), and outgoing expenditures. The Bookkeeper will make a
good-faith effort to be available at the membership meeting to answer
questions when there is substantial activity or interest in the Noisebridge
Tor project (likely more at first and during decisions and transitions).
The Bookkeeper will be responsible for providing a financial report, which
will be made available during the weekly Noisebridge meeting. This report
will go over recent or upcoming activities and decisions, and report on
income and expenditures. At the Treasurer's discretion, the Bookkeeper may
coordinate with the Treasurer to have her include this information in her
existing Treasurer'sReport. If the Treasurer [curious if this is meant to
say bookkeeper??-rlh] is unavailable to report by proxy, another member of
the Noisebridge Tor project may serve."
 On Nov 22, 2011 9:12 PM, "Shannon Lee" <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:

> Notes on the 11/22/11 Meeting
> --------------------------------------------------
> Jim moderates and does his usual fabulous job.
> Names:
> A roaming european guy
> a random american girl
> Another a random traveling guy from Metalab
> A Random English Person
> There is only Zuul
> Tom, who fights for the user
> Hannah
> Sarah, here for her friend david
> Tymon who represents an autonumouos corporate entity
> Happy (aka robert)
> Chris, unemployed hacker
> Max, from Noisebridge
> Zephyr, from noisebridge
> Jeffery, participating
> Rubin, like the sandwich.
> Short Announcements
> ---
> Tymon is starting a startup right now, and he wants you to sign a contract.
> Walter, who wants a grant for 3d glasses, wants to work with Noisebridge
> (does not want to
> Jefferey wants to donate a projector, would like help keeping it safe.
> Kaya thinks he is eminently qualified to lead this effort.
> ---
> New or Stale Events
> Jefferey is teaching a front-end web developement class Monday nights at 8
> Python class is going again, we think Monday at 7:30 (maybe)
> Every night we have Hackupy, talk to Rubin -- Occupy Everywhen!
> Thanksgiving Turkey at Noisebridge, logistics to be discussed after the
> meeting.  Cooking starting at 1:00pm
> ---
> Money:  Everything Is Good, except that Noisetor sucks.
> ---
> Nobody is up for membership.
> ---
> Consensus:
> The cleaning issue.  Will Noisebridge continue to pay for a cleaner?
> WSargent talks us through the history of the cleaning service.  Drone
> Drone Drone.  He has a lovely voice but god it goes on and on.  I'm falling
> asleep.  How come everything wsargent talks about sounds like a regretable
> tragedy?  He should narate disaster porn.
> Many people say Noisebridge  has been cleaner lately, but the general idea
> is that it's cleaner because we're cleaning it more, not because of
> cleaning service.
> I ask if there has been a catalytic effect?  Wsargent says that yes, it
> has, and takes the oportunity to drone some more.  God it's a hypnotic
> voice.
> Metalab has suggestions:  1.  Ten minute Hate - lights blink at 10 to 12
> and everybody ceans for 10 minutes.  2.  The night before the cleaning lady
> comes, they have a de-clutter (an email goes out)
> Robert strongly feels that we should form a team, spend $35 per week to
> make food for people who will clean on Saturday.  He volunteers to lead it.
> I ask if Metalab is of similar layout to noisebridge, am answered at
> length "yes."
> Tom does not come here to clean, and we should pay for it if possible, if
> it will do any good.
> Tymon was born to be involved solving this problem.  He proposes that we
> optimize our money investment spening which will do our best for the
> excellence of Noisebridge, by paying members SF minimum wage to do so.
> Rubin and I explain why we haven't done this before.
> A former cleaning lady is in favor of paying a cleaning service.
> Rubin doesn't feel that the question as to whether the cleaning service
> made a difference has been answered.  Wsargent believes that it has.  He
> drones more.  Rubin feels there are two problems:  the grime, which the
> cleaning service does, and the clutter, which is our problem.  Rubin
> proposes that Rob's cleaning service be tried in conjunctin with the
> traditional cleaning service.  Rubin promises to kick down $120 for three
> months of Rob's cleaning service.
> Rob proposes to write up a "how to clean" document.
> Rubin wants Wsargent to make sure the mailing list is notified when,
> before and after, the cleaning service is here.  Wsargent agrees.
> The number of former cleaning people at Noisebridge is astounding.
> The consensus item is:
> Noisebridge pays money out of general funds for a cleaner for a continuing
> period of three months at a rate of $145 per month; additionally, Rob will
> do a bi-weeklky declutter, coordinated with the arrival of the cleaning
> people, with lunch paid for by Rubin at a rate of $20 per session;
> additiionally, Ben will clean at the oposite end of the monthly cycle from
> the cleaners, again coordinating with Rob.
> Florian notes that having cleaning tools prominent will help people be
> able to clean casually.
> Consensus passes.
> Shannon talks about doocracy in building up the shop and classroom walls.
> He asks for volunteers and for donated funds for building supplies.
> Happening Thanksgiving weekend.
> Rob says we have sheetrock here.
> Kaya suggests if people want to help between now and Friday, moving things
> away from the walls so we can get over them.
> Shannon: We need money and we need eople here this weekend, please come.
> Going to need to rent a nail gun, buy lumber mud and tape.
> Rob says to send out an email for help and tool donations
> People can go talk to Shannon about this item after the meeting
> There is stuff sitting at Noisebridge which should be tossed, says Rob.
> Rubin asks him to send mail to the list.
> Kaya brings up the member shelves, and how people should clean out their
> member shelves.  I say that stuff in the aisles should be thrown away.
> Florian from Chaos Computer Club wants to talk about Occupy, Germany, CCC,
> the US and Noisebridge.  Rubin wants to talk to him.
> Jake brings up Noiseland; you should read the Noiseland page on the wiki.
> Also, Jake asks to borrow an ODB2 reader, and someone I've never seen
> before leans out from behind the member shelves and offers to loan him one.
> --
> Shannon Lee
> (503) 539-3700
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