[Noisebridge-discuss] Friends of Noisebridge photo wall and "greylisting" ideas

[Dan Cote]

The Friends of Noisebridge Wall is a good idea, and I would be willing to go
on it.

As far as banhammers go: In my experience, when someone necessitates
removal, it becomes obvious to a majority of the people in the space. Those
people then talk about a plan. (Ask the person to stop doing whatever is
disturbing everyone, try to help the disturbing person by talking
about their issues, ask them to take a walk, or ask them to leave.) It is
only when the person answers all attempts to communicate with threats or
nonsense that we ask them not to come back until the meeting.
I have never seen an instance where one person do-ocraticly banned another
person until the next meeting, and it would bother me if I saw that start to
happen.(we could see people escalating petty squabbles to meetings) Also,
asking people to leave goes more smoothly when you have a group.
As much as I am trying to discourage solo kicking, if someone is making you
uncomfortable, please discuss it with people right away and try to reach a
resolution.

TLDR: Get help when banning.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Liz Henry <liz at bookmaniac.org> wrote:

> Hey there,
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> People have been talking about various ideas about banning and
> greylisting and being do-ocratic and so on. While I'm not up to
> summarizing all those conversations, I wanted to mention them on the
> list so they would be in public.
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> One idea that has come up is "greylisting" which probably needs a better
> name. Kick as opposed to "ban". The idea is that if people in the space
> end up asking a person to leave, they should ask them to leave and not
> come back until the next meeting night or to join the mailing list if
> they can't make the meeting. That would in theory function as a
> cooling-off period. This assumes that people aren't asking others to
> leave in trivial or annoying situations or in a bullying way, but doing
> it because of safety or people who are being extremely disruptive.
> People have been describing it as an option people should know is a
> possibility (not as a procedure that must be followed.)
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> It might be a good pattern if the people who did the do-ocratic
> greylisting (or temporary kicking out or asking to leave or whatever we
> end up calling it)  identify themselves.  To kick someone you are
> putting yourself on the line and if you do it all the time you might
> look like an authoritarian asshole (generally disapproved of at
> Noisebridge).  Putting their own social credibility on the line should
> discourage people from kicking for frivolous reasons.   In cases where
> people are afraid of direct retaliation or need to be private they will
> need to find proxies to do the kicking.
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> Another idea was making a sort of "welcome to noisebridge" wall or
> bulletin board that has people's photos, near the entrance. The idea has
> come up before. I think the point would be to represent people who want
> to identify themselves as part of Noisebridge, and that it might be
> welcoming or friendly (as well as useful to nerdy people who forget each
> others' names.)
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> Tonight I took a bunch of photos of people in the space, getting
> permission from them to print them and put them up on the wall in the
> entry area as Friends of Noisebridge. They might not be the best photos
> but I'll try to arrange them on the wall in a way that makes it clear
> that anyone can add new photos to it.  I took photos of about 40 people
> tonight and think the Friends of Noisebridge wall will be pretty awesome.
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> I hope we can come up with guidelines or patterns/antipatterns that
> don't piss everyone off and that don't get applied stupidly or used as
> Rules or with the sort of self-important pearl-clutching scapegoating
> bullshit that lots of people are afraid might happen.
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