[Noisebridge-discuss] Are people okay with people sleeping at the Noisebridge space?

[Al Sweigart]

Rubin, I want minimize drama, which is exactly why I'd like people to
talk about this and try to resolve it instead of it being a perennial
conflict like it's been. Right now it's not about a specific person,
which is a perfect time to talk about it. This way it doesn't
degenerate into "I like/dislike person X, which is why sleeping at the
space is fine/a problem."

I don't want to bring it up at a meeting because it'll probably be a
long conversation and I didn't want to force everyone to sit through
it (or force people to chose between staying at a two hour meeting or
going home and being excluded.) Email's great for this kind of
discussion: people don't have to immediately respond to everything and
only the people who want to participate do.

And from the number of people on this thread, people apparently do
want to talk about this. A few people are saying "sleeping overnight
is not a problem" and others are saying  "even napping is a problem",
but the way the issue is, if we shut down any discussion about it,
it's essentially giving the sleepers a free pass except for the rare
occasions when the Noisebridge-is-not-for-nappers folks are there to
wake people up.

I want to hear people's reasons why they think napping is okay because
I don't think there are any valid reasons (but maybe I'm wrong.) What
I don't want to hear is people saying "let's stop talking about it" or
"it's not a problem and this discussion should end". There are people
who have a problem with it and it's not fair to ignore their
complaints by trying to get them to shut up.

I'm against napping in the space, but I don't want to get my way
because I was able to badger enough people into submission or get a
loud enough group on my side. I want to listen to other people and
encourage them to speak their mind. It's clear there's no consensus on
this, but maybe we can figure out some kind of middle-ground besides
people continually bugged about the sleepers and the sleepers
continually bugged about being woken up or told to leave.

It doesn't need to be resolved ASAP, it just needs to stop being put
off. So let's talk about it.

-Al

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Just Duncan <justduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
> AMEN!
>
> Very well put, Rubin!
>
> To those whose view of Noisebridge is primarily through the discussion list,
> know that Noisebridge is excellent.
>
> As someone who is a regular part of the Noisebridge community, people
> sleeping here is not a problem.  Culturally, the community here handles
> things quite well using thoughtful, situational ethics and is strongly
> protective of the space, the community, and each other.  Noisebridge works
> and doesn't need chaperones or self-appointed draconian authoritarians whose
> sole purpose for a visit to Noisebridge is to tell people what to do.  If
> people in the space need help, we have the new 311 system on the red
> payphone to get assistance and it works brilliantly, when needed.
>
> Unless Al's answer to Rubin's question is "yes", let's let this thread die a
> drama-less death.
>
> This thread is in no way relevant to Noisebridge at present.
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>>
>> Why are we having an email discussion about this?
>>
>> Al: Have you been to Noisebridge recently, has someone sleeping in the
>> space offended you?
>>
>> Is there an apparent problem that needs attention ASAP?
>>
>> --
>> Rubin
>> rubin at starset.net
>>
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