[Noisebridge-discuss] Are people okay with people sleeping at the Noisebridge space?

[Just Duncan]

Having not been at the space for some time and definitely not being part of
the community of people who regularly hack here, you are COMPLETELY out of
touch with Noisebridge.  THERE IS NO PROBLEM TO RESOLVED.

Noisebridge is dynamic and this thread is either PURE trolling or else, with
all due respect, you REALLY need to let this go.  Your obsession with this
now hypothetical "problem" is not useful, implicitly slanders Noisebridge to
those whose impression of NB is through this email list, and is wasting
THOUSANDS of hours of people's valuable time the same insidious way that the
"National Enquirer" does.  Unfortunately, people aren't generally at the
check-out line when reading this, but more likely at their computers trying
to work.  The volume of responses on this topic says NOTHING, except that
people are very passionate about Noisebridge, rules, and respond to
fear-mongering when hypotheticals are positioned as reality.

Rubin asked you two, simple yes or no questions.  It sounds like your answer
to them both is NO.



On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rubin, I want minimize drama, which is exactly why I'd like people to
> talk about this and try to resolve it instead of it being a perennial
> conflict like it's been. Right now it's not about a specific person,
> which is a perfect time to talk about it. This way it doesn't
> degenerate into "I like/dislike person X, which is why sleeping at the
> space is fine/a problem."
>
> I don't want to bring it up at a meeting because it'll probably be a
> long conversation and I didn't want to force everyone to sit through
> it (or force people to chose between staying at a two hour meeting or
> going home and being excluded.) Email's great for this kind of
> discussion: people don't have to immediately respond to everything and
> only the people who want to participate do.
>
> And from the number of people on this thread, people apparently do
> want to talk about this. A few people are saying "sleeping overnight
> is not a problem" and others are saying  "even napping is a problem",
> but the way the issue is, if we shut down any discussion about it,
> it's essentially giving the sleepers a free pass except for the rare
> occasions when the Noisebridge-is-not-for-nappers folks are there to
> wake people up.
>
> I want to hear people's reasons why they think napping is okay because
> I don't think there are any valid reasons (but maybe I'm wrong.) What
> I don't want to hear is people saying "let's stop talking about it" or
> "it's not a problem and this discussion should end". There are people
> who have a problem with it and it's not fair to ignore their
> complaints by trying to get them to shut up.
>
> I'm against napping in the space, but I don't want to get my way
> because I was able to badger enough people into submission or get a
> loud enough group on my side. I want to listen to other people and
> encourage them to speak their mind. It's clear there's no consensus on
> this, but maybe we can figure out some kind of middle-ground besides
> people continually bugged about the sleepers and the sleepers
> continually bugged about being woken up or told to leave.
>
> It doesn't need to be resolved ASAP, it just needs to stop being put
> off. So let's talk about it.
>
> -Al
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Just Duncan <justduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > AMEN!
> >
> > Very well put, Rubin!
> >
> > To those whose view of Noisebridge is primarily through the discussion
> list,
> > know that Noisebridge is excellent.
> >
> > As someone who is a regular part of the Noisebridge community, people
> > sleeping here is not a problem.  Culturally, the community here handles
> > things quite well using thoughtful, situational ethics and is strongly
> > protective of the space, the community, and each other.  Noisebridge
> works
> > and doesn't need chaperones or self-appointed draconian authoritarians
> whose
> > sole purpose for a visit to Noisebridge is to tell people what to do.  If
> > people in the space need help, we have the new 311 system on the red
> > payphone to get assistance and it works brilliantly, when needed.
> >
> > Unless Al's answer to Rubin's question is "yes", let's let this thread
> die a
> > drama-less death.
> >
> > This thread is in no way relevant to Noisebridge at present.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are we having an email discussion about this?
> >>
> >> Al: Have you been to Noisebridge recently, has someone sleeping in the
> >> space offended you?
> >>
> >> Is there an apparent problem that needs attention ASAP?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rubin
> >> rubin at starset.net
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
>
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