[Noisebridge-discuss] Are people okay with people sleeping at the Noisebridge space?

Fri Oct 14 00:48:43 UTC 2011

Dude, I grew up in Marietta GA. Don't presume.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 16:38, Ryan Rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com> wrote:
> what could possibly be a "minoritarian subject-positions" in the bay
> area?  Or at noisebridge?
>
> perhaps you need a trip to the midwest to remind yourself how bad it
> is elsewhere.
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Erik JM Schneider <eriktrips at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This was supposed to go to the list the first time but I forget that
>> gmail does not send replies to the list unless you ask it very nicely.
>> Annoying, that. Apologies to Will for barging in on his
>> non-group-related mailbox, if any.
>> I am not going to bother to correct my grammar this time, either:
>>
>> I am against members-only hours for the sllightly selfish reason that
>> there is no way I could afford to be a member at NB, even at the
>> "starving hacker" rate, but I would like to be able to go there to
>> work at whatever unusual hour I might be conscious, which I do
>> occasionally as things are now.
>>
>> Philosophically I tend to fall on the side of openness and inclusion
>> as well, but I have no concrete ideas at the moment as to how to deal
>> with the problematic aspects of said openness, although given the
>> amount of ridicule this discussion has drawn simply for being floated,
>> I don't get the idea that there is a burning need to make a decision
>> right now between closing NB off to outsiders or letting people
>> continue to come in and be allowed to stay if they behave reasonably.
>> I do think that exclusionary practices generally result in an
>> homogeniety that can be reassuring to the members while feeling
>> hostile and closed off to outsiders. I also suspect that interesting
>> and unusual ideas are more likely to be brought up in a community that
>> remains open than in one that closes its doors for a large proportion
>> of its operating hours.
>>
>> And as an occupier of several minoritarian subject-positions,
>> exclusion exasperates me at the gut level. I think risk management is
>> usually preferable to absolute security, and I don't think the
>> discussion on the list has yet run through all possible solutions to
>> the risks in question here: sleeping and stealing, if I am reading
>> correctly. Are there others? Are they problems that need urgent
>> solutions or can they be deliberated for some time? Is it possible to
>> approach these and other situations with a practical mindset rather
>> than a regulatory one--that is, with an eye toward establishing
>> possible routes of action, which are flexible but uncertain, rather
>> than prescriptive rules, which are reliable but not tolerant of
>> exceptional circumstances?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 14:43, Liz Henry <liz at bookmaniac.org> wrote:
>>> I really like our radical inclusion and openness. It's part of why I
>>> come to the space and support it with regular donations.  It makes me
>>> really proud to be part of Noisebridge.
>>>
>>> I like the couches and like to lie down to work sometimes.  If people
>>> really want to get rid of them though I understand.
>>>
>>> We could post up some resources for places to stay by the couches and
>>> the door/elevator.
>>>
>>> If someone is disruptive or scary, we should go ahead and ban them
>>> without fussing too much about it. They could come to a meeting to ask
>>> to be let back. Why not keep the openness (which works well most of the
>>> time) and be willing to ban a little more often?
>>>
>>> The intermittent thefts are a problem but honestly they seem less of a
>>> problem than they could be. I think lockers would be a fine idea, though
>>> we would need to develop some way to keep their use to people who are
>>> more or less currently coming to the space, and though someone may pick
>>> their locks.
>>>
>>> By the way Al, things have been pretty nice and very active and friendly
>>> every time I've been in the space lately. You might give it a shot! I
>>> hadn't realized till recently that there is something of a surge around
>>> 11pm or midnight when people come in to hack on stuff.  I certainly felt
>>> welcome and comfortable late at night earlier this week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Liz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/13/11 1:48 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:
>>>> Jon, Gian, anyone: do you have any ideas for how to enforce a
>>>> members-only policy, should we decide to try it?  The only one I've ever
>>>> heard is, stop answering the doorbell.  Otherwise I think you have to
>>>> depend on everyone to be a door-person and ask for the incoming person's
>>>> ... membership card?  How would it work?
>>>>
>>>> Everyone who's against members-only, let's at least hear their ideas!
>>>> Even if we choose not to make this change, the discussion is valuable.
>>>>
>>>> Rachel M
>>>>
>>>> On 10/13/11 1:44 PM, Jonathan Foote wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil
>>>>> <gian.pablo at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> Well, I'm seriously suggesting "members only"! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am as well. As are a lot of other people who have resigned out of
>>>>> exasperation (I'm close).
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't get rid of the couches. A space without a comfortable place to
>>>>> hang out is not a place I want to visit, and I miss the ones that are
>>>>> gone.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> Liz Henry
>>> liz at bookmaniac.org
>>> http://bookmaniac.org
>>>
>>> "Without models, it's hard to work; without a context, difficult to
>>> evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ
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>>
>>
>>
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