[Noisebridge-discuss] Hacker in Afghanistan

[Mike Schachter]

Hey Jake, just to be clear, I don't have a problem with most of
what you said, but there's this other side where people have
friends and family that are in the military and are pretty invested
in keeping their morale up and ultimately in their survival.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to contribute to the war
in any way... but it's hard to do that when people you care
about are over there. And if you look at demographics, the troops
on the ground are far from a privileged class, and deserve at
least some acknowledgement that they're there; because as
a whole, our nation is apparently not concerned enough with
the war to force an end to it. We're the problem Jake, not the
soldiers.

  mike




On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> gee thanks, i wish you would have said that onto the list, i'm getting
> crucified over here, for suggesting that people should refuse to help kill
> people in other countries.
>
> -jake
>
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Jack Perkins wrote:
>
>> While I don't know if I would have said what you said on the list,
>> it's nice to hear someone saying it. Duncan's reply is the sort of
>> bizarrely split rhetoric that you find so commonly here. People who
>> believe the war is bad and generally wrong but continue support every
>> action inside of it blindly.
>>
>> -Jack
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Will he be helping kill people out there?  I understand that the US
>>> military has killed a lot of people in Afghanistan so far, and they have
>>> shown no signs of ceasing to kill people.
>>>
>>> I think killing people is very un-excellent.  I would never send
>>> sunflower
>>> seeds to someone who was killing people, or helping to kill people.  I
>>> would certainly want to send sunflower seeds to someone who refused to
>>> help kill people, like Bradley Manning did.  If your friend ends up like
>>> Bradley Manning I will certainly apologize for having prejudged him.
>>>
>>> The US government is spending $118,600,000,000.00 on the Afghanistan war
>>> this year, I would think there would be enough money in that to buy
>>> sunflower seeds and gatorade packets.  If it were up to me, i would end
>>> the war in Afghanistan and spend the money on hiring teachers and bailing
>>> out mortgages.  I think most people agree with me, but unfortunately
>>> politicians continue to do what they want, and (most) soldiers continue
>>> to
>>> do what they're told.
>>>
>>> -jake
>>>
>>> Carl Sue theabcasian at gmail.com wrote:
>>> Sat Oct 29 18:27:17 PDT 2011
>>>
>>> Hey Guys, we have a fellow hacker in Afghanistan who's about to go to a
>>> foreword operating base in two weeks. I'm guessing its pretty bad for him
>>> out there and I hear the FOB has no showers or hot food. I thought it
>>> would be nice to send him a care package (or a few) to let him know he
>>> has
>>> community waiting for him to come back. If you want to participate I
>>> think
>>> wesley is sending something or you can use his address:
>>>
>>> LCpl Pacer, Matthew J
>>>
>>> RCT-5 DET A UNIT 40306
>>>
>>> FPO AP 96427-0306
>>>
>>>
>>> his current needs include foot powder, slim jims, sunflower seeds... any
>>> food that will last 2+ months, DRINK MIXES like those crystal light or
>>> gatorade packets he also likes arduino and will have a soldering iron at
>>> the FOB.
>>>
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