[Noisebridge-discuss] Prevent Diarrheaig

Frantisek Apfelbeck algoldor at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 11 11:41:12 UTC 2011


Hi to All!
I'll comment just on the fruit flies issue. The fruit flies are naturally attracted by the smell of fermented foods and beverages especially if fruit is being used as base. I've personally used a wide mouth jars covered by cloth tightened by string or rubber band. If done properly it works 100%. Please note that the kombucha project needs access of air. I know it has odorous but  up to now there were thousands and thousands of people who tried our probiotic beverages and quite nice few actually learned how to make them. Please note that regular ingestion of probiotic foods and beverages is the best way how to PREVENT DIARRHEA know to man several different aspects considered!

There is a substance which is suppose to be natural essential oil which has very strong repellent effect on fruit flies. It maybe a bergamot oil, but I'm not sure. Does anyone know the answer? This my help a great deal!


Best of luck with your improvements of the bathroom and kitchen, please keep the life foods and beverages going, there is a wide support of community for that and keeping it closer to windows helps (sometimes the air takes it in rather than out but that is life).

Sincerely,

Frantisek



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From: Just Duncan <justduncan at gmail.com>
To: Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:28 PM
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Prevent Diarrhea


Based on a recent splash-back empirical data collected while cleaning the toilets, I think it would be an excellent idea to take some basic steps of prevention lest Noisebridge become a vector of transmission for whatever underlying bacteria, parasite, virus, or karma might be causing this.

If you are able/willing to help implement the following-- or have additional ideas-- let's communicate and do!

I'm starting with the fact-- that's not likely to change any time soon-- that the kitchen area is located right outside the toilet areas.  

1)That in mind, the most BASIC step would seem to be creating the tools that would encourage people to  WASH THEIR HANDS after using the toilet and BEFORE using the kitchen.  What would help, that I personally cannot afford or drive to pick up in bulk?

-  A means of drying hands after washing in the bathrooms and kitchen.  (Nick excellently bought 3 rolls of paper towels as a temp measure.  I'll buy a wall mounted paper town dispenser for the kitchen after work today at The Container Store.)   Paper towels have been DESPERATELY absent for the past couple of weeks, though I can confirm to Al that his irrelevant, archaic sign about "Why not...wipe down the sink?" remains up and undefacated... I mean defaced.  Personally, I feel wiping down the toilet rim and underside of the toilet seat BEFORE washing one's hand's would be more excellent, but, again, definitions of "clean" apparently vary.

    It would be REALLY cool to find and fix or make a hand-dryer, though it may not make sense if the electricity cost differential is significant.

    A cloth towel, as is in 1.0, may actually just exacerbate the problem, not prevent it.

- Dishwasher Soap -  We've got a little left, but will be out quiet shortly.  The past few days we've removed the disintegrated drying racks and have encouraged people to RINSE dishes THOROUGHLY and then put them in the dishwasher and running it to sterilize them, as we've observed that the definition of "cleaning your dishes and eating utensils" varies greatly in practice.

- Hand soap for the two bathrooms, large pump bottle preferred so it doesn't fall easily on the floor or into the sink.  Gallon of refill would be MOST excellent.

- A GIANT pump bottle of hand disinfectant in the kitchen to augment the sign I'm going to put up suggesting that people wash their hands.  Gallon of refill would be most excellent.

- A GIANT bottle of DAWN dish washing soap.  This is one of the few products where other brands and generics just don't cut the grease nearly as effectively.  If animal rescuers use it exclusively to clean wildlife after an oil spill, that says something to me.  Gallon of refill would be MOST excellent.

- SPONGES, preferably with one side being gently abrasive.  The ones we have are falling apart.  BTW, microwaving a wet sponger for 60 seconds does a pretty good job in disinfecting it.

Additionally, is anyone besides me interested in figuring out how to  replace the uber-cool edging around the kitchen counter?  Yes, I know it was applied with cold plasma and the look from afar is wicked butch, but in terms of kitchen counter practicality and cleaning/hygiene it simply sucks (and not in the good way).  More specifically, wiping down the counter and brushing debris over the edge into one's waiting hand is impossible.  Likewise, the cold fusion is failing in places and food particles are caught, attracting...

FRUIT FLIES!

-  These are and have grown steadily as a problem in the kitchen area of Noisebridge over the past couple of months.  In great frustration, I'm going to point out the giant grey box labelled in yellow "Random Cable &" on top of the cabinets above the conventional ovens.  Inside is a several month project to make banana vinegar, a process that crucially involves the larvae(?) or some other secretion/by-product of reproducing fruit flies... akin to "honey comb"? for bees.  Although the large open mason jars are covered with stretched cloth/rubber band and Francisco assured everyone that it wouldn't attract fruit flies, my 3-month experience at NB-- which began prior to the project's start-- leaves me wholly unconvinced.  And, NO, the plastic tub is NOT covered. 

   This is one of those things that either no one wants to help me relocate (to the roof?) or deal with.  I've been told "yeah, we're doing something about that tomorrow" too many times to believe it.  I'm restraining my impulses to "do-ocracy" until Wednesday morning. :-)

-  All the blooms and roses brought daily by Wish into the kitchen area that unhappily wilt, die, and decay here... something fruit flies seem to love.  First, having had a mother whose hobbyist passion was growing roses to enjoy on the bush, I'm wondering the excellency of how these roses/flowers are being picked.  Secondly, I think NB's kitchen can sacrifice color for the sake of hygiene.  Finally, with all their thorns, disposing of them is rather painful.    Is there any great object to a sign putting flowers and floating blossoms on hiatus?

LASTLY... is anyone actually USING the compost we collect that serves as an additional breeding area for fruit flies?  If not, can someone convince me why not using the technology to quickly exit fruit fly fodder from the Noisebridge space instead (i.e. the waste disposal we have)?  San Francisco is going to remove the results from the sewage whether we contribute to it or not and it's all organic anyway, just hastening the circle of life.  Please note I am NOT putting mice down the disposal.

Off to work, but THANK YOU!

Duncan

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