[Noisebridge-discuss] Prevent Diarrhea

[Danny O'Brien]

Duncan.

In practical terms, talk to Ed, who is a trained restaurant professional, is
working on the fruitfly problem, and still has at least twenty hours of
service to Noisebridge to go, Francisco, who runs the cleaning process on
Wednesday, and the rest of tastebridge at tastebridge at lists.noisebridge.net.
The brewing people are meeting tomorrow at 7PM, if you want to speak to them
also.

I think a lot of your ideas make a great deal of sense; if what you want is
some money, go ahead and ask somebody for some money. I'm not sure what else
you want.

d.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Just Duncan <justduncan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am I being trolled and just naive?  If I am, will a board member please
> kindly let me know?   I'm beginning to wonder, especially by the question in
> anonymity (whoever you, Snail, are).
>
> No, I'm long over it, thank you.  Would you kindly explain to me what part
> of "the diarrhea I had 10 days ago" would lead you to conclude I might be
> currently ill?
>
> Yes, quarantine was great.  It would be ideal if we knew which person was
> getting it next, *especially* as it requires NO responsibility or action
> by anyone in the group!
>
> Unfortunately, to quote the California lotto, "Are You Next?
>
> Don't worry, I'm smiling and not worked up over this... I've already had
> it.  :-)
>
> Duncan
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're personally sick, maybe you should avoid being at nb until your
>> health improves, if you're concerned with spreading it. Quarantine is a
>> great way to prevent public outbreak.
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2011 6:10 PM, "Just Duncan" <justduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ARRRGGHHH!!   Forget the flowers--  After several days of the severe runs
>> last week and CONTINUING to clean back-splashed fecal matter from the
>> toilets in greater frequency, I'm trying-- apparently unsuccessfully thus
>> far-- to prevent/contain an outbreak of illness here at Noisebridge.  Rather
>> than action or volunteering to help solve the problem, all I seem to be
>> hearing about is the goddamn flowers.  The flowers don't cause diarrhea, but
>> they do foster the vectors that do.  It's the diarrhea, folks, DIARRHEA.
>> The problem is pathogens in fecal matter causing diarrhea, NOT flowers.
>>
>> Dysentary, per se, is not the only bacteria to cause
>> gastroenteritis/diarrhea, nor the only pathogen found in human feces.  Other
>> more likely ones include salmonella, enterovirii, Norwalk virus (a
>> norovirus), camphlyobactor, E.coli, crytosporidium, coliforms, and
>> coliphages. Fruit flies transmit pathogens in fecal matter (1)<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1169043/>, including E
>> coli <http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1>.   Flowers attract
>> fruit flies (see 7th bullet point under the "CLEAN" section here<http://www.infobarrel.com/Getting_Rid_of_Fruit_Flies>).
>> By analogy, rodents don't transmit the Black Plague, but the fleas that
>> loved to hang out with rodents did.
>>
>> I am BAFFLED why Noisebridge folks seem to refuse to want to address
>> problems when they are small and PREVENT them.  FOCUS, PLEASE:  THIS IS NOT
>> ABOUT FLOWERS OR SIGNS.  IT IS ABOUT PREVENTING A PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM BY
>> BEING RESPONSIBLE, *NOW*.
>>
>> But wait, this is Noisebridge, where the decision-making is not only
>> consensus process based, but-- as it seems to me based on recent events--
>> crisis management driven.  Let me put this another way:  Would we, as a
>> group of individuals, prefer to step up and prevent an outbreak of
>> pathogen-based diarrhea (which can be life-threatening) ourselves?  Or
>> should we just ignore this health issue, focus on the importance of flowers,
>> and continue a *que sera sera* apathetic attitude... until the Department
>> of Public Health (or, worse, CDC) shows up to governmentally "solve" the
>> problem for us?  After all, we ARE technically preparing and serving food
>> publicly.  If we were a restaurant, I have no doubt that the health
>> inspection would close us down for neglecting ANY attempt to encourage or
>> enable the most basic steps of food safely, personal hygiene, and other
>> parts of the food preparation health code.
>>
>> Personally, I just don't want the horrible, cramping, ill-feeling diarrhea
>> I had 10 days ago... nor do I want anyone else to experience them.  I clean
>> the toilets fairly regularly; trust me, empirical evidence suggests it is
>> still continuing.  I don't think this anywhere merits a 3-1-1 call, but the
>> silence on this from board members even is perplexing.  If no one wants to
>> deal with this but is willing to financially underwrite it, let me know and
>> I'll get it done.
>>
>> Can we focus on the Feces and Fruit Flies, please?  Does it help if I
>> point out that this might well be something that could affect YOU?
>>
>> THANK YOU, Noisebridge is excellent!  Let's work to keep it that way, ok?
>>
>> Duncan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:54 AM, girlgeek <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Whether or not you like the...
>>
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