[Noisebridge-discuss] missing IBM model M keyboard from my shelf
jim
jim at well.com
Sun Sep 18 18:42:20 UTC 2011
those who wish can get lockable containers that
fit their shelves.
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 20:07 -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
> Since things are actually going missing, the case for lockers becomes
> pretty reasonable.
>
> People are expected to keep the components for their ongoing and
> future projects at the space. If these things are wondering off on
> their own, it's pretty reasonable to be able to secure them somehow.
> Lockers are a simple, low-tech solution. They aren't invasive, don't
> reduce anyone's privacy, are hard to su
> rreptitiously misuse. If the lockers are of the BYO lock type, then
> the security is optional: they're basically cupboards which can be
> locked.
>
> It's always been possible to hide something in the space, but it's not
> excellent to hide things to which the community would object. If the
> community has concerns about what a member may be keeping in their
> locker, we can consense to ask, demand, or compel them to open the
> locker or remove the offending item
> s.
>
> While it's true that any lock can be picked, bypassed, broken &c, it's
> much more obvious when someone's trying to break into a locker than
> when someone simply walks off with an item like they own it. Lockers
> make it clearer when someone is doing something un-excellent and
> allows those present to do-ocratical
> ly intervene.
>
> TL; DR: Lockers are a good, non-invasive security measure. +1
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Danny O'Brien
> <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org>
> wrote:
>
> Judging by the total silence I take it that my
> midi sequencer project has
> disappeared into the void along with the Carl
> Zeiss microscope, Miloh's
> macbook, and whatever else has been stolen
> from noisebridge recently.
>
> Or has anyone seen it?
>
> That sucks if it's gone. (It sounds like the search is
> still on for Miloh's mb)
>
> Last time we had a rash of thefts, I tried to collate
> what actually went,
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/MissingStuff but it
> turns out its very hard to get people to report this
> stuff . My *guess* is that we get a bunch of
> opportunistic thievery, and then it declines, then it
> starts up again. But without any data, I can't tell.
>
> I'm interested for solutions to this. The ones usually
> thrown up are:
>
> 1) Accept it as a fact of life in an open space
> 2) Increase the vigilance of new people somehow
> 3) Get theft insurance
> 4) Put cameras in so we can at least see stuff going
> and track it down
> 5) Put in some sort of more narrow, exciting tracking
> system, so you could sticker stuff you didn't want
> stolen
> 6) Close the place to members only (and or) guests at
> certain times, open the rest of the time
> 7) Close the place to members only + guests
> 8) Close the place to members only
> 9) Check people's asses as they leave
> 10) Bathe space in constant, semi-lethal x-rays
> 11) Commandeer mchawking as enforcement bot
>
>
> 12) Locks and lockers.
>
>
>
>
> List of common reasons why people always turn down these ideas
> or implement the do-ocratic ones (not my particular opinions,
> just the usual arguments I've heard), just to get them out of
> the way:
>
>
> 1) Accept it as a fact of life in an open space
>
> -----What usually happens.
> 2) Increase the vigilance of new people somehow
>
> -----Do-ocratic; people can greet those they don't know, to
> make people feel like the community is keeping an eye on
> things.
> -----Difficult to get everyone to participate.
> 3) Get theft insurance
>
> -----???????????
> 4) Put cameras in so we can at least see stuff going
> and track it down
>
> -----NOOO, MY PSEUDO-ANONYMITYYYYY / CIVIL LIBERTIES / ETC.
> -----Followed with threats to destroy cameras.
> 5) Put in some sort of more narrow, exciting tracking
> system, so you could sticker stuff you didn't want
> stolen
>
> -----Do-ocratic & good idea, but a sticker that says "Plz
> don't steal kthx" does not deter determined thieves, only
> accidental theft/misplacement.
> 6) Close the place to members only (and or) guests at
> certain times, open the rest of the time
>
> -----Closes resources to the community.
> -----No general agreement on what time curfew should be.
> -----Who would enforce it?
> -----Fuck that shit.
> 7) Close the place to members only + guests
>
> -----Difficult to determine who is a guest; do they need
> supervision / take their word for it?
> -----Who would enforce it?
> -----Fuck that shit.
> 8) Close the place to members only
>
> -----Fuck that shit.
> 9) Check people's asses as they leave
>
> -----Need warrants.
> 10) Bathe space in constant, semi-lethal x-rays
>
> -----Would drive all noisebridgers to slow, painful
> extinction.
> 11) Commandeer mchawking as enforcement bot
> -----Do-ocratic and awesome, but no one ever does it.
> 12) Locks and lockers.
> -----Complaints about making the space less open with locked
> areas.
> -----Concerns about people being able to hide things in the
> space without community's knowledge.
> -----Followed by threats to pick the locks and stuff nerds in
> their own lockers.
>
>
> YOU MAY PROCEED.
>
>
>
>
> Oh, there was some action taken previously with the gate to
> deter those who have never been to noisebridge before from
> wandering in late at night when not many people may be around.
> I think the intention was to make sure people needed a key or
> a phone code to open the gate late at night (idea is that they
> have been to the space previously or were invited), but I'm
> not sure if that's actually accomplished its intended result.
>
>
> Plus, on busy nights like 5ofF, people are constantly entering
> and exiting so it's easier for people to wander in late at
> night despite our attempts.
>
>
> Of course, all that presumes that most people who are going to
> steal things, sleep at the space, and otherwise cause trouble
> are only going to arrive late at night, and not during the
> daytime hours.
>
>
> --
> -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
>
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