[Noisebridge-discuss] Sigh -- I'm not helping with Maker Faires this year.

Matt Joyce matt at nycresistor.com
Thu Apr 5 21:05:20 UTC 2012

Most folks have seen my talk at defcon on trolling jake.

Pretty sure they know I am a troll.

That talk is available online here btw:


Jake you realize of course that people on IRC are cautioning me about
arguing with you because they know that arguing with you is very akin
to arguing with a very obstinant brick wall right?  It's also
particularly funny that people have cautioned me that one of your
favorite argument tactics is an attempt to discredit via an ad
hominem.  And here we have Jake Applebaum king of the ad hominem
launching one of his classic attacks.

The best part about being me Jake, is that I am completely open about
being a troll and imperfect in a great number of other ways.  So you
can hurl whatever you want my way true or untrue and I'll be glad to
stick to the points I raised previously rather than falling prey to
your vitriol.  I live my life by a simple creed.  Live without regret.
 I can be wrong, but I accept responsibility and the consequences for
everything that I do.  I am quite proud of who I am.  And my arguments
rise and fall as always on the merits of their logical truth and not
the flourish of my wit.



On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net> wrote:
> On 04/04/2012 06:51 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
>>> Solidly annoying Matt.
>> That has not been my intention here.  Sorry if I came across that way.
>> -Matt
> Hi Matt,
> I did take your apology at face value but it turns out that I was
> mistaken and you were in fact trolling me:
> 13:27 < openfly> aestetix i've figured out how to win arguments with jake
> 13:27 < aestetix> openfly: oh boy
> 13:27 < openfly> it's like this time some old guy tried to start an
> argument with me on the subway
> 13:27 < aestetix> openfly: I want to see this :)
> 13:28 < openfly> you just be as NICE as possible and listen to
> everything they say then politely
>                 disagree.
> 13:28 < openfly> watch them build up their rage until they EXPLODE
> It's pretty obvious that your framing of arguments is about winning and
> losing, rather than say, having a dialog. That is pathetic. It is also
> quite telling about your ability to explore the ethical issues involved
> in the DARPA discussion.
> For those reading along at home, remember:
> Matt Joyce is a troll who does not actually care about almost anything
> he talks about but rather only enjoys getting a rise out of others.
> The supreme irony here is that I'm actually interested in exploring the
> DARPA topic because it is relevant to me personally, Noisebridge as a
> group, Maker faires everywhere and because Mitch has really made quite a
> stand that will probably cost him dearly.
> However, I'm not interested in talking about DARPA without actually
> discussing the real costs involved. There is a complex discussion worth
> having but it will likely happen with better people than you. I've
> learned my lesson and won't forget that you're a lost cause.
> All the best,
> Jake

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