[Noisebridge-discuss] I want NoiseBridge to change.

jim jim at systemateka.com
Tue Feb 21 18:39:16 UTC 2012

    There needs a definition of "hacking". The space has 
sewing machines, lots of soldering irons and oscilloscopes, 
various tools in the dirty workshop, and so on. Yet much 
of the email discusses hacking with respect to the software 
    A week or so ago some J R hacker stopped by the space 
with an aquatic sailing device that adjusts its shape to 
optimize speed and (I think) expected to be able to do some 
work on it. Some months ago a group of French stopped by 
the space as part of their world tour to study such spaces. 
Tastebridge came out of Czeck Frantisek's persistent 

    Making a "structural change" needs clarification, 
probably with respect to the definition of hacking. 
    And probably the use of the equipment in the space ought 
to be considered in defining hacking. 

    Note that the AMTD discuss list so far has been devoid 
of the drama component that occasionally explodes on the NB 
discuss list. What about their structure might have a 
filtering affect? 
    For one thing, it seems that no one is sleeping there: 
as I recall, their space has no kitchen and no couches and 
does have locked doors (not easily accessible by the curious). 
Is that what we want? 

    Trying to fix things comes with volatility. Maybe we 
don't understand our circumstance well enough. Seems to me 
good to focus on doing things that __are__ hacking as we 
each individually understand it and set a tone by example. 
Be wary of changes that require maintenance. 
    Be patient. Care hard. NB seems a natural community 
space, with the complexities that come with. 

On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 09:00 -0800, Crutcher Dunnavant wrote:
> Actually, I don't see J Random UNKNOWN Hacker from Tokyo being a
> design goal of the space. Ping someone on IRC, come during open
> visiting hours, get someone to show you the space.
> Can't make friends with someone on IRC enough to get a tour? And
> you're going to travel from another city to visit? Yeah ... not much
> overlap of those groups.
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Wladyslaw Zbikowski
> <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Care extra special hard" is not a solution. We've had these problems
> >> in oscillation since we moved into our current digs; and I believe
> >> they're a structural problem caused by the interaction of our scale
> >> and our government system. I'm tired of this nonsense. I'd like to fix
> >> it.
> >
> > "Fixing it" means addressing two use cases:
> >
> > 1. J Random Hacker walks in visiting from the Tokyo hackerspace or
> > just drove in from Peoria after reading about us on the Make blog.
> >
> > 2. Person who is well known to the community, who has a total lack of
> > interest in or respect for what a hacker space is, shows up Yet Again
> > to spend the day/night doing Whatever It Is He/She Does All The Time
> > Here.
> >
> > A reasonable requirement is that the first person is welcome while the
> > second is not. I would like to hear how a structural solution can
> > solve this without having to care enough to actually talk to the
> > person.

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