[Noisebridge-discuss] Wingnuts

Kelly hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
Fri Feb 3 19:49:17 UTC 2012

Like all events, if this guy came to speak at Noisebridge, it should
involve some discussion with the community:

While Noisebridge is open to anyone's event by default, this is still
subject to the one rule, Be Excellent. A good way to make sure that an
event passes this test is coming to the tuesday meeting and/or getting
a member to sponsor the event, as suggested by the Hosting page.

In the past, there have been events which it turned out were unwelcome
at Noisebridge, and social/political conflict is one of the reasons
that this might be the case. I remember a meeting once where we came
to the conclusion that the Boy Scouts of America organization was
incompatible with Noisebridge for event purposes because of their
anti-homosexual policies. The idea here is that it's not excellent to
invite events or people into the space who will make members of the
community feel unsafe. This is of course a difficult metric to draw a
hard line on, but getting meeting or member approval really seems to
be a pretty good litmus test.

That said, I don't think it sounds like this guy would be welcome at
Noisebridge. I would personally be really pissed off if he gave a talk
in the space. It would take a near-consensus for me to reconsider


On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:03, Tony Longshanks LeTigre
<anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:47 PM, BAH A <synrhabdosomeunarrayaaoe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Wait... are you for real?  Why should Noisebridge resources be devoted to
>> Duesberg in anyway? How is inviting Duesberg over for a nice talk furthering
>> the cause of benevolent open hacking in San Francisco?  Do you realize who
>> this guy is?  Go read some fun stuff like
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/27/south-africa-aids-mbeki
> Oh no, for god's sake don't give him money! I didn't mean that.
> I just meant, I'm willing to listen open-mindedly to his presentation,
> because freedom of speech includes all sorts of things we may not want to
> hear and everyone deserves a fair chance and blahblahblah. There are aspects
> of Duesberg's situation that compel me: the man who speaks an unpopular
> truth, crusading against the establishment forces that would silence him.
> How can you not want to identify with that romantic rebel image, on some
> level? And then again, the idea that Big Pharma might have perpetrated a
> major hoax on the public in order to garnish vast financial rewards from the
> suffering and pestilence of the masses seems entirely within the realm of
> possibility - at least if you're an anarcho-squatting technomutant prone to
> conspiracy theories, as am I. If HIV doesn't cause AIDS, or isn't the only
> thing that causes AIDS - to put it more generally - I'd like to see the
> evidence of that. At this stage,  without having looked seriously at
> Duesberg's case or evidence - if he has any - I lean towards thinking that
> his theory will end up being proven, by lab analysis, to be authentic 100%
> FDA certified BullShit. But who knows? Just last night I was watching a TV
> thing about seismologists who believe they may have stumbled onto evidence
> that humans lived in North America 30,000 years earlier than previously
> believed. I don't really give a shit which side is right - I don't have an
> emotional investment in it - but I say: sounds possible, let's hear the
> pitch!
> Then, if things unfortunately don't go so well for the intrepid challenger
> to received wisdom, you thank them for their time, press the TRAP DOOR
> button, and down the hatch they go.
> This is what democracy looks like (?)
> xo
> Your friendly neighborhood Tiger
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