[Noisebridge-discuss] banning "Occupy"
rachel lyra hospodar
rachelyra at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 01:17:51 UTC 2012
I am happy to play bad cop, as I have done with Wish (crazy person running
a mayoral campaign out of NB) and Rob 2.0 (who I confronted many times,
once at 3am) and Jorgen (due to behavior best discussed off-list) and 2 or
3 occupy folks that I already knew. All you gotta do is talk to me about
specific problematic individuals. Since rising property values cost me my
warehouse in soma, I have moved to east bay and am not around as much to
notice on my own which people are problems.
Since I am part of occupy, I will be doocratically taking action there as
well. I suspect the problem, though, is that assholes append themselves to
any social group willing to tolerate them. Don't blame occupy, and maybe
when people visit 2169 they won't blame noisbridge.
Hold individuals accountable for their actions, and hack the surrounding
culture in order to influence those actions.
R.
mediumreality.com
On Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM, "Wladyslaw Zbikowski" <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Fact: a number of annoying non-hackers are semi-living at the space,
> and have stated to me their belief they are entitled to do this
> because of Occupy. I have invited some of these folks to tonight's
> meeting so they can get on the same page as the rest of Noisebridge.
> Rachel, I would appreciate it if you could personally disabuse them of
> this notion and explain the purpose of a hacker space, since you "talk
> their language".
>
> Fact: s/Occupy/Tastebridge/
>
> Live long and prosper.
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have been making suggestions on how to begin dealing, as a group, in
> the
> > emails I have been writing. They are not prescriptive, but suggestive and
> > open-ended, in the hopes of soliciting opinions, feedback, and further
> input
> > from the community. If you didn't notice, because of the way many of us
> > look for fully-baked answers to be handed out without any input, well,
> maybe
> > you should go reread my messages and think about the ideas I put into
> them,
> > and the directions I suggest.
> >
> > An approach to problem solving that happens on this list all the time,
> that
> > I see you modeling here, is sort of problematic. You are stating a
> > prescriptive solution to a communal problem, and then creating a
> conceptual
> > framework where what you have proposed is a communal solution.
> Individuals
> > who make proposals should be ready to have their ideas incorporated into
> a
> > giant meta-idea that is made by synthesizing EVERYONE's ideas, not just
> one
> > person's...unless there is natural and automatic support for that one
> idea.
> > You know what's harder than having an idea? Working out an idea that
> > everyone agrees to. You know what would create the sense of community
> > support you are seeking? Working out an idea that everyone agrees to.
> >
> > This particular idea is actually, to my mind, counterproductive, because
> it
> > creates a false sense of permanent solution to a problem that is in fact
> > perennial. Also, it creates guidelines that we are committing to
> > selectively follow. Like the sit/lie law. Which is lame.
> >
> > Also the occupy website team meets at noisebridge, and anyone who doesn't
> > like it can go suck an egg.
> >
> > Love you jake!
> >
> > <3
> > R.
> >
> > mediumreality.com
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I look forward to hearing your suggestions on ways of dealing with the
> >> problems.
> >>
> >> I still think my idea is great but i am disappointed that more people
> >> don't understand how it works. If people belong at noisebridge they
> will
> >> not be at all discouraged by our policy of No Occupy Allowed.
> >>
> >> What's the first rule of fight club? Same thing with occupy. If you
> meet
> >> buddha on the road, kill him. If someone comes to noisebridge and says
> >> they're "from occupy" kill them. If they are there to hack, instead of
> >> killing them you can encourage them to drop the "occupy" tagline
> because we
> >> have trauma associated with that.
> >>
> >> You said yourself that we need to meet these challenges with hackerlike
> >> creativity. I think that if everyone who is being a dick is also
> >> identifying as being "from occupy" then a simple solution is to "ban
> >> occupy".
> >>
> >> and that is step one toward uniting out community to back each other up
> >> onto a mutually-agreed concept.
> >>
> >> -jake
> >>
> >>> Jake, I think this suggestion stinks. I am surprised you even made it.
> >>> That
> >>> guy was being a jerk, which is already not allowed. Why attempt to bar
> a
> >>> highly relevant political movement, which you support, instead of just
> >>> telling dicks to stop being dicks?
> >>>
> >>> I think a lot of what people are seeking in these various conflict
> >>> situations, is a sense of the community backing you up.
> >>>
> >>> Dude.
> >>>
> >>> It backs you up when someone is being lousy, regardless of whether they
> >>> come
> >>> from Free School or Occupy or whatever scruffy group of people find us
> >>> next. Banning Free School wouldn't have saved us from Occupy, and
> >>> banning
> >>> Occupy wouldn't save us from assholes. It would save us from helping
> save
> >>> the world from capitalism. If it helps we can set up a page on the
> >>> Occupy
> >>> website about noisebridge, and not being lame. Then if you need backup
> >>> against dicks from occupy, you can show them a page on their own
> website
> >>> saying not to be dicks.
> >>>
> >>> R.
> >>>
> >>> mediumreality.com
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 13, 2012 4:20 PM, "Kelly" <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I think that occupiers who want to hack things should check in
> >>> with
> >>> the Hackupy group: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hackupy who
> >>> seem
> >>> to have the potential to do occupy work excellently. Do we have
> >>> a
> >>> contact person for that contingent?
> >>>
> >>> -Kelly
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:17, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > If you ban occupiers don't they just camp wherever you banned
> >>> them from?
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >>> >> There have been a few over-the-top assholes staking their
> >>> claim to be at
> >>> >> noisebridge lately, who are saying that they are welcome
> >>> because they are
> >>> >> "occupy"
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I propose that we ban Occupy from noisebridge. That way,
> >>> assholes who use
> >>> >> physical intimidation against people questioning why they're
> >>> at
> >>> >> Noisebridge will have one less "reason" besides puffing
> >>> themselves up like
> >>> >> a rooster.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Please don't troll in response to this post. Yes I do
> >>> understand that we
> >>> >> have met many excellent hackers through occupy, but those
> >>> people are smart
> >>> >> enough to wink when asked if we should "ban occupy" from
> >>> noisebridge.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Do you have a story to share about an asshole claiming to be
> >>> from "occupy"
> >>> >> who is trying to occupy noisebridge in a bad way?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -jake
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