[Noisebridge-discuss] Camp Tipsy sexual assault charges and Noisebridge

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    Jesse has a habit of bullying women and people who are less able to defend themselves. Instead of making this another lesson in critical thinking I think we should take this as a lesson in what happens when we ignore or justify the type of behavior that led up to this. 
    I completely agree that casting someone out of the community is destructive. Why did you not say anything when Jesse destructively cast people out of the nb community on his own accord?  I think his actions then were destructive. In fact the only time I ever really hear about Jesse is when he bullies people and reacts badly. How much more bad behavior from him do we really have to tolerate?   
    Instead of defending or analyzing the politics his awful behavior that occurs on a regular basis, can we finally try just getting rid of him? He continues to be a common denominator for shitty behavior.  I dont feel we really need to spend time debating his track record of being unexcellent. It speaks for itself and I dont want to wait around to hear about the next shitty thing he does to the community. 
On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Zancas Dearana wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Liz Henry <liz at bookmaniac.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there fellow Noisebridgers,
>> 
>> I had heard a rumor about Jesse being arrested, and heard about there
>> being trouble at Camp Tipsy and only put them together last night, and
>> looked up court records from Colusa County where Camp Tipsy happened.
>> 
>> Here is a post from the organizer of Camp Tipsy about the event (scroll
>> down to the paragraph beginning "Sexual assault happens.".
>> 
>> http://chickenjohn.us/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/chicken/20120712110923/
>> 
>> Here are the court records:
>> 
>> http://cms.colusa.courts.ca.gov/case_search_results_charges.asp?chrgCaseNbr=CR54212
>> 
>> And a local newspaper article about the alleged assault and the arrest.
>> 
>> I would like us to talk this over at the meeting tonight.
>> 
>> I'd like to directly ask Jesse to agree not to come to Noisebridge while
>> he deals with these charges.
>> 
>> Because I want us all to be able to make good decisions about our safety
>> and about recommending Noisebridge as a place for others to come to, I
>> felt it is important to say this in public and get it out there as
>> information for everyone involved with Noisebridge, rather than to rely
>> on people spreading the word through backchannel gossip.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>  Thank you, Liz, for letting me know!
> 
>  I realise that perspectives will differ in fundamental ways on this
> issue, and that aspects of it will be impossible for me to appreciate
> on some levels.  I strive to be thoughtful, and apologise in advance
> if I inadvertently give offence.
> 
>  My unsolicited opinion(s):
>   I agree that safety is paramount.
>   I believe that permanent shunning, or casting out, is an extremely
> destructive process.
>   I hope that (and this may be entirely consistent with Liz's
> proposal) we can find an alternative to such a drastic action.
>   I think it would be better for Jesse to speak for himself at the
> meeting, than for decisions about him to be taken in his absence.
>   I submit that Punishment, is going to be meted out by the "justice"
> system, therefore I advocate decisions taken by the community focus on
> safety vice retribution.
> 
>  Finally, this event has provoked an interesting train of thought...
> 
>  To what degree do we, as community members, "owe" it to the
> community to confess our crimes?   If I am cited for drunk driving,
> and subsequently offer to drive the Noisebus to toorcamp without
> letting anyone know about the offence, am I betraying the community?
> What if I tell Liz, but not Danny?  Have I discharged my duty to the
> community?  Should Jesse have brought this event up at the next
> meeting after Camp Tipsy?   Who within the community knew about the
> incident?  If there are others in the community who knew, and did not
> bring it up at a meeting, are they guilty of a lesser betrayal?
> 
>  Does anyone else want to confess anything?
> -- 
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