[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @ Noisebridge [drama]
Eric W. Rasmussen
ewr at majortek.com
Sun Jun 17 16:45:21 UTC 2012
My first thought is that there isn't anyone offering to help. Doesn't
anyone have a couch that she could occupy for the next few days? It is
absolutely impossible for me to offer these accommodations but I have
offered my services in about a week. Giving suggestions regarding the
best places to sleep outside is cold hearted, especially for a group and
City that is "progressive".
I agree that Jesse has an abrupt manner and doesn't believe in 2nd or
3rd chances. I don't think he believes in chances at all. However, I
like him for other reasons. Jesse just needs to chill the fuck out from
time to time.
Many times I have kindly awakened users and let it be known that
sleeping is not acceptable. The message is well received because it is
delivered with a smile and some understanding. Sometimes people nod off.
It happens. Expect a backlash from the offender and others if invasive
tactics are used to prove how wrong they are.
It's important to consider who the offender is and what kind of
punishment should be doled. Persecuting someone who is well regarded in
the community is mutually assured destruction. One should expect the
same vindication if they ever make an error in judgement. Placing a
$1000 punishment on a $50 crime is absurd and simply mean.
She has a dilemma right now. We should be focussing on solving the
problem, which we are all very good at, instead of placing blame. One
way or another, this can be solved. Everyone can walk away happy.
On 06/16/2012 09:51 PM, Ever Falling wrote:
> Before making such suggestions please read the back log of the many
> threads about this very topic. It's been made very clear that 1)
> sleeping in the space, whether it be naps or staying the night, is
> not conducive to the purpose of the space which is a place to hack,
> work on projects, and learn. 2) it's against the lease of the space to
> allow people to basically live there. I'm not completely familiar with
> the details but again i'm sure you can find where it's been talked
> about ad nauseum in previous threads.
>
> Violette your situation is very unfortunate and I understand your
> dilemma but understand that NB is not a place for sleeping. It's just
> not its purpose. You wouldn't expect to be able to sleep in any other
> place that didn't specifically allow it so I'm not sure why you'd
> figure NB would be ok with it. Just because the space is ideally
> anarchic doesn't mean there aren't still guidelines set down by the
> members and that there aren't still rules that exist outside the space
> that dictate what can happen within it.
>
> and honestly with a statement like "(...) so I decided risking some
> fat bearded lard waking me up with the sound of his unauthorized
> photography was the safest option." I'm not really sure what you feel
> the need to complain about. If you decide to sleep at Noisebridge
> you're gonna have a bad time. Could Jesse, according to your
> description, have handled the situation more graciously? yeah. But
> that's it.
>
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Lord Claypool <lordclaypool at gmail.com
> <mailto:lordclaypool at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think it would be fair to say that the homeless need a place to
> sleep at night and that Noisebridge can provide this much desired
> service. San Fran is a really progressive city. In order to
> maintain this reputation, I think it's our responsibility to take
> this major step forward. They live a hard life. They deserve better.
>
> With sincere love,
> Lordth Claypool
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck
> <algoldor at yahoo.com <mailto:algoldor at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Sounds familiar to me :-)
>
> Noisebridge is one of the worst places to spend night like
> most of the hackerspaces - they are not designed for that
> purpose, at least not these days. So emergency stay at
> Noisebridge over the night is not a pleasure, most of the
> people who have tried knows ...
>
> I would say that you should try to get a camping math
> (groundsheet) and sleeping bag so you can stay outside during
> the night if you have to. This would actually give you a great
> flexibility and strengthen the feeling of
> independence/security. You are correct with the streets, avoid
> it! Sleep in the park, I recommend the one around Mount Sutro
> I think it is closest safe spot, I personally love Baker's
> beach or Panorama hill at Berkeley. It has quite nice few
> hidden places and I spend some nice quite nights there,
> sometimes meeting people who did the same quite for a while,
> working a regular job during the day and staying on friends
> couches and parks over the night because of the cost of
> accommodation around SF. And yes I do realize that it is a bit
> of bummer for the nature and people who use the parks for the
> walk etc. but most of the time you are up before they show up
> and not too many people do this - classical homeless stay
> close to the source = downtown.
>
> Have you been considering getting a smaller van/minivan so you
> would have accommodation/base but with minimal running
> expenses? Lots of people are doing this. Another one is
> getting some unused boat for free and pay just docking fee etc
> (maybe around $200-300 per month cheapest).
>
> Anyway best of luck, I hope you find some spot to "call your
> own" for the stability purposes it is really great. I highly
> recommend to try to avoid staying at Noisebridge because it
> would be counterproductive to your work/social status in the
> community, it is just as it is.
>
> Sincerely,
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
> PS I do recommend to leave for the park/camping before 10 pm
> or so because after that the streets get kind of dodgy and
> also the police is patrolling and could give you troubles.
> That was the major reason why I spent some nights at
> Noisebridge, because I would be working late and it may be not
> so much fun to get out of Mission around 2 am ... By the way
> I'm just writing you from "my new shared office" which I am
> using as a base after close to two month of street life at
> Seoul :-) and it feels great! (I have even shower in the
> complex, with kitchen, refrigerator, sounds like heaven to me
> ...).
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Violette Blumen <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com
> <mailto:lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>>
> *To:* embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com
> <mailto:embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>"
> <Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> <mailto:Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>>; Mark
> Meves <mark.meves at gmail.com <mailto:mark.meves at gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:31 AM
> *Subject:* [Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @ Noisebridge [drama]
>
> To Jesse -
> I'm not entirely sure why I'm doing this as it will likely
> prove to be a futile attempt at allowing you to see beyond
> what might just be on the surface of a situation. I've seen
> absolutely no sign that you have any sort of human compassion,
> so trying to show you a tiny chapter of my life in order to
> bring out your humanity is likely out of blind faith.
>
> I haven't been given the best deck of cards in my life. I
> don't see myself as special or anything because of this, most
> people are given a few lemons, and going into detail with you
> about my life isn't quite on my priority list. Let's just say
> certain conditions I have, haven't allowed for a very easy
> transition into adulthood. I'm currently trying to get myself
> out of my current situation, albeit difficult, by seeking help
> and a case worker at Larkin Street Youth Services. Last night
> in fact, I went to their youth (18-24) housing shelter (Lark
> Inn) in order to get a bed for the night.
>
> When I arrived there, I saw a large group of young adults
> in similar situations also trying to get an emergency bed for
> the night. Before we can get more permanent housing, we're put
> on this list where we have to wait as long as 6 weeks. With
> the large amount of people already there, I didn't think I was
> going to be getting an emergency bed for the night. I went
> inside anyways while I waited for them to do a head count of
> who was already there. As soon as I got inside, one of the
> workers approached me to say that my TB test was expired and I
> had to get a new one before I could stay in one of their beds
> again. Their clinics would not be open until Monday, and if I
> go at that time I won't get the results of my test until
> Wednesday. What a fucking bummer. That means I'm not just out
> of a bed for last night, I'm out of a bed until I get the
> results of my TB test, and that's IF I don't test positive. It
> didn't seem like a big deal last night, I usually
> have temporary shelter on friends couches, and the only reason
> I'm trying to get a permanent situation is for the stability I
> haven't had my entire adult life. I rode from the TL down to
> Noisebridge so that I could make some phone calls to see if
> any of my friends were around to give me a place. I didn't
> expect to stay at Noisebridge overnight. I called and texted
> all of my friends with no avail. I couldn't get a hold of
> anyone with a couch for the night. I then weighed my options.
> I sure as hell wasn't going to put myself in danger on the
> streets, so I decided risking some fat bearded lard waking me
> up with the sound of his unauthorized photography was the
> safest option.
>
> So here's my apologies, sorry if I'm being a bit too
> dramatic. I'm so very sorry I broke the cardinal rule of the
> /*Anarchist*/ Hackerspace in order to prevent myself from
> getting mugged, raped, attacked or even killed from sleeping
> on the streets. I'm sorry that my interest in technology died
> when I was in high school and that I lack an attention span
> that allows me to enjoy any hobby for more than a couple of
> weeks. I'm sorry I'm not a 1337 h4xx0rrr, and I'm sorry I
> found programming, while relatively easy, extremely
> unrewarding, boring, and mind numbing. I'm sorry for intruding
> upon your culture Jesse, and I'm sorry for not tolerating
> bullies with superiority complexes. Honestly Jesse, shouting
> homeless pejoratives and waving a very bright light in
> someone's eyes while they're minding their own business on
> their computer really says a lot about your own character.
>
> To Noisebridge-
> Unless Jesse wishes to discuss this further, it is of no
> interest of mine to bring this up at a meeting. I said
> everything I wanted to say right here.
>
> -Lillian Fleurs
>
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