[Noisebridge-discuss] fucking up noisebridge

Fri May 4 19:21:12 UTC 2012

The "Cynthia Debacle" (as you're calling it) was a series of actions 
taken by individuals. If you disagree with those actions, you should 
communicate that to the specific people involved. They are not hiding 
their identities, and are readily accessible both by email and in the 
space itself.

I think it's fine to disagree with what they did, though I do not. 
However, I think emailing "the list" instead of the specific people is 
unexcellent.

--Casey

On 5/3/12 7:14 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre wrote:
> Although I wasn't @ NB on the day in question, I tend to agree w/ the 
> negative reviews of the Cynthia debacle, and have had the feeling 
> lately that some people seem to be on a weird power kick with 
> targeting the next person to evict from the space. This isn't 
> "Survivor: Hackerspace." Cynthia needed help, but she was never 
> someone I felt so threatened by that I wanted her removed by the police.
>
> TLLT
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Flatline <flatline at hackbloc.org 
> <mailto:flatline at hackbloc.org>> wrote:
>
>     I agree completely with this.  Calling the cops unnecessarily does a
>     FUCK of a lot more to make noisebridge an unsafe space than having
>     a few
>     wingnuts around. It makes many people feel unsafe in the space
>     including
>     myself.  Say what you want about Cynthia (and believe me I have plenty
>     to say) she never made me feel unsafe.  This action does.
>
>     Flatline
>     http://www.hackbloc.org
>
>     On 05/03/2012 03:21 PM, Jake wrote:
>     > Say what you want about Cynthia not belonging at noisebridge;
>     she wasn't
>     > here to hack, she could be annoying at times.
>     >
>     > The fact is that the kicking out of cynthia has been a huge
>     drama fest and
>     > makes noisebridge look bad.  I think it was not worth it.
>     >
>     > My friend Stan who has been hacking since before most of us were
>     born
>     > resembles cynthia in some ways;  an old person who enjoys
>     talking and
>     > cooking more than hacking.  He is also the admin of the SPAZ
>     server.  He
>     > comes to noisebridge and sometimes cooks gourmet food for everyone.
>     >
>     > He has been involved and witness to MANY collectively run
>     spaces, like the
>     > Cannery and Project One and a bunch we've never heard of.
>     >
>     > And he says this is a BAD SIGN for noisebridge.
>     >
>     > Let's pull out of this nose-dive.
>     >
>     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:01:36 -0700
>     > From: Stan Osborne <stan at ana dot com>
>     > Subject: NB craziness
>     >
>     > Jake,
>     >
>     > If this is true, I can not justify supporting NB anymore.  I know
>     > everything she says about her behavior at NB and her general
>     cleanliness
>     > is true.  She is an MD and has at least one science degree, so
>     AFAIK there
>     > are many good reasons for her continued presence at NB.  Not being
>     > financially able to be a full member now seems to have saved me from
>     > regretting I gave them much, if any money.  IMHO her mental
>     health was
>     > improving from contact at NB with healthy and intelligent people.
>     >
>     > NB now is already falling into one of those collectives where a few
>     > evil people are working to drive out the rest.  Many collectives
>     > have withered and failed for reasons such as this incident.
>     >
>     > Is there any documentation showing exactly who ganged up on her?
>     >
>     > Stan
>     >
>     >   | To: Stan Osborne <stan at ana.com <mailto:stan at ana.com>>
>     >   | From: cynthia lee <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com
>     <mailto:cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com>>
>     >   | Subject: Re: when u gonna show?
>     >   | Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:52:57 -0700
>     >   |
>     >   | Stan, You must not have a current source there...i was
>     kicked out of
>     >   | Noisebridge by a band of vigilantes who called the police to
>     say i was
>     >   | trespassing and disruptive (apparently for coming in and
>     cleaning up after
>     >   | them!) because they really had no substantive complaint (a
>     vague that I am
>     >   | smelly, messy, and, get this...loud) they are so vague on
>     the complaints
>     >   | that it is suspicious for made -up stuff
>     >   | I can't be there tomorrow but would like to run into you
>     anyway. I can
>     >   | check Internet tomorrow AM and if there is another location
>     I can see u at,
>     >   | let me know
>     >   |
>     >   | thank you for all the assistance and friendliness u have
>     shown me
>     >   |
>     >   | --
>     >   | Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
>     >   | http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
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