[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia and Miloh made agreement she would not be there tonight

Wed May 2 20:04:25 UTC 2012

I'm also a native Texan, but unlike Agent^H^H^H^H^H Mr. Joyce, I worked for governments involved in corporate work, rather than the other way around. 
However, the work was in Illinois, and the government was Federal, and the corporation was in Delaware, but operated in Texas, Illinois, Canada, and Germany.

Does that also count as "conflicting" interest to matters of hackerspacery?

Just wondering, since apparently actual facts and self-espoused opinions aren't important to the topics at hand, and community-determined externally-applied labels and opinions seem to count much more. So before I get into a mess of thinking for myself about ethical issues surrounding the social burden of mental illness or the social dynamics of us-vs-them group-think, I'd like to know what I /actually/ think, based on my work history and community-judged status.

Thanks in advance for helping me figure out where I stand, so I can cleanse my bias and maybe even hold a real opinion someday!

- Brink

P.S. I've also been previously under the impression that hackerspaces are primarily for hacking and secondarily for hacker-lulz, but maybe that's just my conflicted corporate government hacker-biased opinion talking. Please, someone who knows more about this than I do, help me figure out what a hackerspace is for!

On May 2, 2012, at 11:39 AM, cynthia lee wrote:

> Matt, I am pleased that you admit to having a potential conflict of interest. That is big of you. i wish everyone would be willing to state their sources of income and admit whether there are any conflicts of interest.
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> As a native Texan who has worked for corporations involved in
> government work, I find your positions on medical issues to be wholly
> irrelevant to my belief that you are in need of help that only a
> trained psychiatrist can provide.  You have never once insulted me.  I
> hope you will do your best to realize this is not intended as an
> attack on your character.
> 
> I am not your friend or your enemy, and truthfully while I could
> derive an inordinate amount of amusement from exacerbating this
> thread.  The reality is the way you have comported yourself in
> discussion both in person and on this list have lead me to believe
> that you are a brilliant individual who refuses to acknowledge that
> they need help.  Please take this situation to heart as anecdotal
> evidence that you may need to revisit the question of your own mental
> wellness.  I am not alone in wishing you the best.
> 
> A hackerspace by its very definition is biased 100% in favor of
> hacking.  All other pursuits regardless of their value in other areas
> are going to take a back seat.  Your contributions while lofty, pale
> in comparison to your impact on the hack friendly nature of
> noisebridge.  That is not a bad thing.  It is simply a thing.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM, cynthia lee
> <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can not help wondering if my anticorporate stance is upsetting someone
> > there. There was a discussion by Will that he had heard enough
> > stories....odd, why were those stories not run past me to verify them? Why
> > would Jessie be unwilling to get me hard copies of these conversations that
> > he found upsetting? How can he be sure I even sent those emails?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >  with a history of legal actions in Texas against government and
> >> > corporations.
> >>
> >> oh man i just LOVE that you shoe-horned that in at the end there.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:25 PM, cynthia lee <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Will,
> >>> I have an understanding with Miloh that I would not be there tonight. i
> >>> pointed out that that was rather short notice under the circumstances. So I
> >>> would appreciate it if this was placed on the agenda for next weeks Tuesday
> >>> night meeting.
> >>>
> >>> I make exception to the statements that I was loud. Most people didn't
> >>> even look up from what they were doing, a couple came over to ask what was
> >>> going on though. I believe the behavior of the three men who met me and
> >>> refused to clarify what behavior they were taking exception to was not
> >>> excellent. Jessie said something about some email conversation I had with
> >>> him, perhaps a long time ago? and refused to provide me with hard copies so
> >>> i could be clear what conversation he was talking about and he did not state
> >>> what his email address is. Basically, the concept of calling the police for
> >>> what is basically a dislike of another person (that most people would
> >>> overlook and go on with their life) is a really bad portend for Noisebridge.
> >>> If I had had that attitude while in medical practice, the police would have
> >>> been called every week.
> >>>
> >>> The unexcellent behavior was on the part of the three men. My email
> >>> address is known through the discuss list and why was this not addressed in
> >>> an email so I didn't walk 45 minutes from downtown to be confronted with
> >>> this unexcellent behavior. Perhaps Noisebridge needs to be an association
> >>> instead of nonprofit community space? so it can be limited to "hackers".
> >>>
> >>> I locked my self in the bathroom for obvious reasons related to what
> >>> bathrooms are used for.
> >>>
> >>> for those who do not know me, I have been coming to Noisebridge for about
> >>> a year. i have regularly cleaned the kitchens and floors (but I cleared out
> >>> when the woman known as "Wish" decided to be there because I do not relish
> >>> confrontations). I also helped out at events, spending up to 20 hours one
> >>> weekend alone, sort and take out trash, clean bathrooms, use public access
> >>> computers from time to time (and give them up when asked) helped out with
> >>> Tastebridge and Vegan Hacker (although these three men dispute the value of
> >>> these events/groups). I do not steal and I am not loud. I have asked for
> >>> mediation regarding one person who was trying to be objectionable and he has
> >>> declined to do so (not me). I am a retired family physician with a history
> >>> of legal actions in Texas against government and corporations.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
> >>> http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
> >>>
> >>>
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