[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia and Miloh made agreement she would not be there tonight

Wed May 2 20:09:08 UTC 2012

I think you meant to say 'anarchyspace'.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Brink of Complexity
<brink.0x3f at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm also a native Texan, but unlike Agent^H^H^H^H^H Mr. Joyce, I worked for governments involved in corporate work, rather than the other way around.
> However, the work was in Illinois, and the government was Federal, and the corporation was in Delaware, but operated in Texas, Illinois, Canada, and Germany.
>
> Does that also count as "conflicting" interest to matters of hackerspacery?
>
> Just wondering, since apparently actual facts and self-espoused opinions aren't important to the topics at hand, and community-determined externally-applied labels and opinions seem to count much more. So before I get into a mess of thinking for myself about ethical issues surrounding the social burden of mental illness or the social dynamics of us-vs-them group-think, I'd like to know what I /actually/ think, based on my work history and community-judged status.
>
> Thanks in advance for helping me figure out where I stand, so I can cleanse my bias and maybe even hold a real opinion someday!
>
> - Brink
>
> P.S. I've also been previously under the impression that hackerspaces are primarily for hacking and secondarily for hacker-lulz, but maybe that's just my conflicted corporate government hacker-biased opinion talking. Please, someone who knows more about this than I do, help me figure out what a hackerspace is for!
>
>
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> On May 2, 2012, at 11:39 AM, cynthia lee wrote:
>
>> Matt, I am pleased that you admit to having a potential conflict of interest. That is big of you. i wish everyone would be willing to state their sources of income and admit whether there are any conflicts of interest.
>>
>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>> As a native Texan who has worked for corporations involved in
>> government work, I find your positions on medical issues to be wholly
>> irrelevant to my belief that you are in need of help that only a
>> trained psychiatrist can provide.  You have never once insulted me.  I
>> hope you will do your best to realize this is not intended as an
>> attack on your character.
>>
>> I am not your friend or your enemy, and truthfully while I could
>> derive an inordinate amount of amusement from exacerbating this
>> thread.  The reality is the way you have comported yourself in
>> discussion both in person and on this list have lead me to believe
>> that you are a brilliant individual who refuses to acknowledge that
>> they need help.  Please take this situation to heart as anecdotal
>> evidence that you may need to revisit the question of your own mental
>> wellness.  I am not alone in wishing you the best.
>>
>> A hackerspace by its very definition is biased 100% in favor of
>> hacking.  All other pursuits regardless of their value in other areas
>> are going to take a back seat.  Your contributions while lofty, pale
>> in comparison to your impact on the hack friendly nature of
>> noisebridge.  That is not a bad thing.  It is simply a thing.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM, cynthia lee
>> <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I can not help wondering if my anticorporate stance is upsetting someone
>> > there. There was a discussion by Will that he had heard enough
>> > stories....odd, why were those stories not run past me to verify them? Why
>> > would Jessie be unwilling to get me hard copies of these conversations that
>> > he found upsetting? How can he be sure I even sent those emails?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >  with a history of legal actions in Texas against government and
>> >> > corporations.
>> >>
>> >> oh man i just LOVE that you shoe-horned that in at the end there.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:25 PM, cynthia lee <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Will,
>> >>> I have an understanding with Miloh that I would not be there tonight. i
>> >>> pointed out that that was rather short notice under the circumstances. So I
>> >>> would appreciate it if this was placed on the agenda for next weeks Tuesday
>> >>> night meeting.
>> >>>
>> >>> I make exception to the statements that I was loud. Most people didn't
>> >>> even look up from what they were doing, a couple came over to ask what was
>> >>> going on though. I believe the behavior of the three men who met me and
>> >>> refused to clarify what behavior they were taking exception to was not
>> >>> excellent. Jessie said something about some email conversation I had with
>> >>> him, perhaps a long time ago? and refused to provide me with hard copies so
>> >>> i could be clear what conversation he was talking about and he did not state
>> >>> what his email address is. Basically, the concept of calling the police for
>> >>> what is basically a dislike of another person (that most people would
>> >>> overlook and go on with their life) is a really bad portend for Noisebridge.
>> >>> If I had had that attitude while in medical practice, the police would have
>> >>> been called every week.
>> >>>
>> >>> The unexcellent behavior was on the part of the three men. My email
>> >>> address is known through the discuss list and why was this not addressed in
>> >>> an email so I didn't walk 45 minutes from downtown to be confronted with
>> >>> this unexcellent behavior. Perhaps Noisebridge needs to be an association
>> >>> instead of nonprofit community space? so it can be limited to "hackers".
>> >>>
>> >>> I locked my self in the bathroom for obvious reasons related to what
>> >>> bathrooms are used for.
>> >>>
>> >>> for those who do not know me, I have been coming to Noisebridge for about
>> >>> a year. i have regularly cleaned the kitchens and floors (but I cleared out
>> >>> when the woman known as "Wish" decided to be there because I do not relish
>> >>> confrontations). I also helped out at events, spending up to 20 hours one
>> >>> weekend alone, sort and take out trash, clean bathrooms, use public access
>> >>> computers from time to time (and give them up when asked) helped out with
>> >>> Tastebridge and Vegan Hacker (although these three men dispute the value of
>> >>> these events/groups). I do not steal and I am not loud. I have asked for
>> >>> mediation regarding one person who was trying to be objectionable and he has
>> >>> declined to do so (not me). I am a retired family physician with a history
>> >>> of legal actions in Texas against government and corporations.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
>> >>> http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
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