[Noisebridge-discuss] Lack of due process when Cynthia forced to leave

[Jake]

except that it's not funny, and Jesse's actions are making noisebridge 
look bad.  and getting the police to come over.

On Thu, 3 May 2012, Corey McGuire wrote:

> You know...it's funny.  I still have no idea what she did wrong.
> 
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>       The last time I talked to her about it, Erica was no longer feeling welcome because Jesse (the same jesse) told her she wasn't
>       enough of a hacker and she should leave.
>
>       This after she had to ask him to stop calling her at 3am.
>
>       R.
>
>       On May 3, 2012 3:02 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>             I couldn't have said it better myself.
>
>             Why is Erica no longer feeling welcome?
>
>             I have to say,  I have noticed that some people (including Jesse for sure)
>             seem to be fulfilling my prediction that we could swing around into the
>             reactionary zone after we started dealing with the occupiers.
>
>             Please re-read the below and let's not make the same mistakes again.
>             Calling the police is a LAST RESORT and shows bad judgement on the part of
>             the people who did it.
>
>             What would Jesse or Will have done if a couple of female members told them
>             to leave?
>
>             Carl said:
>             You know I don't post here all that much, but I really felt that I had
>             to respond to this...
>
>             I've read through all of the comments about what transpired with
>             Cynthia, on the discuss list and the meeting notes.  Although I haven't
>             been present at Noisebridge during the past week, from what I've read so
>             far, I am really not pleased about how people involved in this situation
>             treated her.  (This would include Jesse, Will, and apparently a third
>             man.)
>
>             First of all, calling the police really should not be done unless:
>
>             1. Someone is harming or threatening harm to another person, causing
>             damage to the space, stealing, or otherwise causing trouble or
>             performing an illegal activity.
>
>             2. A person who has been officially banned from the space refuses to
>             leave.  And by "official", I mean a due process has been followed
>             whereas a previous discussion and consensus was taken to ban a
>             particular person.
>
>             3. AND ONLY AFTER the Noisebridge community are unable to handle the
>             situation on our own should we get the police involved.
> 
>
>             I find it troubling when individuals take it upon themselves to forcibly
>             remove people from the space, who by all accounts of what I've read, did
>             NOT cause any trouble prior to being asked to leave.  I believe it was
>             wrong for Jesse and Will to have done what they did in this case, prior
>             to taking it up at a meeting where the members could discuss and make a
>             decision as to whether to ban Cynthia from the space, AND ONLY AFTER
>             this discussion and consensus would it be appropriate to ask someone to
>             not return.  (and as she brought up, informing her of this could have
>             been done through email prior to her arrival in order to avoid this
>             confrontation.)
>
>             I am also troubled by the flippant and immature responses on this list
>             about Cynthia being "crazy".  Her past talk of legal actions against
>             Texas corporations has no bearing on what transpired.  As far as I can
>             tell, she hasn't forng more people than prior to when the Oogles started
>             arriving at the space.  The first time Noisebridge ever banned anyone,
>             it took considerable discussion and a consensus process.  Nowadays it
>             seems like any member can just ban anyone they don't like.  How and why
>             did we get to this point?  And I'm not just talking about Cynthia here,
>             but others as well.  (take Erica for example, who no longer feels
>             welcome here.)
>
>             And lastly, I think we need to stop this witch-hunt non-hacker hate
>             mentality that we seem to be developing here, which will only drive away
>             new people who may not be familiar with hacker culture.  If we try to
>             make an effort to become friends with them, then we can encourage
>             newcomers to contribute and learn to become hackers by involving them
>             with our projects.  Instead of rejecting them, we should be trying to
>             encourage them to become productive participants in our community.
> 
>
>             -Carl
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