[Noisebridge-discuss] [TROLL] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?

[Robert Chu]

Seriously, trolling is ridiculous in this day and age. Why waste the energy
of yourself or another person when you could be creating something.

ONLY HACKING & NO TROLLING!
Cheers
Rayc

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> more hacking, less trolling.
>
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> No need to feed the trolls.  But feel free, if you enjoy such things.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > From: jeffreyatw at gmail.com
>> > Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:01:27 -0700
>> > To: camhkt at gmail.com
>> > CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?
>> >
>> > Sorry to be so blunt, but are you for real?
>> >
>> > I mean, your name is Cameron HACKett and I don't see any mention of
>> > you anywhere online, and you chime in pretty much during the time
>> > where this list is most embroiled in a discussion about whether the
>> > non-conventional-hackers should be kicked out.
>> >
>> > It's also quite obvious that, due to the place being open to everyone,
>> > you'll encounter some intense personalities. If you couldn't hack on
>> > the couches, or at the kitchen, you could have moved to the
>> > Hackitorium area, Turing, and Church. Plenty of room for all,
>> > especially when a class isn't in session. If you're looking for the
>> > "real hackers," attend a class or the Tuesday member meeting (open to
>> > all).
>> >
>> > I'm usually the last person to don the tinfoil hat, but I smell a troll.
>> >
>> > Jeffrey
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Cameron Hackett <camhkt at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM, William Sargent <
>> will.sargent at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> There's around 40 members, and a number of people that donate without
>> > >> membership. Membership dues are $80 a month, although there are
>> "starving
>> > >> hacker" and "benevolent patron" options. Noisebridge costs $160 a
>> day to
>> > >> run.
>> > >>
>> > >> As for the why; well, Noisebridge is a fun place to hack. If you
>> think
>> > >> about how much you would spend at a cafe, a tech shop, a library or
>> at a
>> > >> co-working facility (or even going out for drinks over a month),
>> Noisebridge
>> > >> isn't that big of an expense. I also Borderlands Cafe, Mechanics
>> Library,
>> > >> Citizen Space / Parisoma... but Noisebridge benefits strangers.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Noisebridge seems like a great place to hack!
>> > >
>> > > However, the second or third time I came by, I blocked out several
>> hours to
>> > > settle into my terminal and work on open-sourcing a library I make
>> for work.
>> > > But it wasn't 30 or some odd minutes into working, when someone on
>> the same
>> > > couch insisted that they *needed* to stretch out their legs over
>> where I was
>> > > sitting. She claimed it was her arthritis that was bothering her.
>> > > No big deal, I figured, I can move elsewhere -- especially for
>> someone who's
>> > > not feeling well. But just 15 or so minutes later, she was lying
>> there with
>> > > another boy, using the couch for their snogging activities! What the
>> heck?
>> > > They appeared to just be there to hang out and read. Nothing wrong
>> with
>> > > that, I suppose.
>> > >
>> > > Sitting on one of the stools by the kitchen, I was booted again by a
>> cooking
>> > > group that wanted the space.
>> > >
>> > > As an outside visitor, I didn't really feel comfortable asserting
>> myself and
>> > > saying no.
>> > >
>> > > It seems like the most socially manipulative people get control of
>> most of
>> > > the physical resources at Noisebridge, as most of the geeks of the
>> technical
>> > > inclination seem too polite to bother wasting their time defending
>> > > themselves instead of actual... hacking.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > My impression is that somehow Noisebridge has turning into more of a
>> > > flophouse than a hackerspace. At any given time when I've visited,
>> there
>> > > seem to be about 10 - 25% of people working on something technical,
>> > > surrounded by many others sitting around reading on the computer,
>> cooking,
>> > > sewing, or engaged in some non-technical pursuit.
>> > >
>> > > Is there an actual hackerspace in San Francisco somewhere? I was
>> hoping to
>> > > find something similar to the environment I've found around the world
>> at
>> > > places like NTC Resistor, Metalab, Pumping Station One, Crash Space,
>> etc.
>> > > Where are all the real hackers at?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Will.
>> > >>
>> > >> On May 5, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Cameron Hackett wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > I'm a little new to Noisebridge, and I still just don't understand
>> how
>> > >> > this works. Is Noisebridge organized by anyone? Who's in charge?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It seems like the place is totally open to anyone on a drop-in
>> basis for
>> > >> > free. But, who pays for the rent then?
>> > >> > I get the sense that the freeloading visitors are much more
>> numerous
>> > >> > than the paying members, but it's hard to tell what the ratio is.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I guess I'm just curious why people continue to put in what I would
>> > >> > presume is a lot of money into a system that tends to benefit
>> strangers.
>> > >> > Sounds like charity.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks,
>> > >> > Cam
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