[Noisebridge-discuss] fucking up noisebridge

Wed May 9 03:23:53 UTC 2012

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM, leigh-mcinnis gaetjens <lmgaetjens at gmail.com
> wrote:

> i agree unless its something illegal or an act of violence i think the
> dramma and this discussion is bad PR for a hackerspace now lets geek out
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Casey Callendrello <c1 at caseyc.net> wrote:
>
>>  The "Cynthia Debacle" (as you're calling it) was a series of actions
>> taken by individuals. If you disagree with those actions, you should
>> communicate that to the specific people involved. They are not hiding their
>> identities, and are readily accessible both by email and in the space
>> itself.
>>
>> I think it's fine to disagree with what they did, though I do not.
>> However, I think emailing "the list" instead of the specific people is
>> unexcellent.
>>
>> --Casey
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/3/12 7:14 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre wrote:
>>
>> Although I wasn't @ NB on the day in question, I tend to agree w/ the
>> negative reviews of the Cynthia debacle, and have had the feeling lately
>> that some people seem to be on a weird power kick with targeting the next
>> person to evict from the space. This isn't "Survivor: Hackerspace." Cynthia
>> needed help, but she was never someone I felt so threatened by that I
>> wanted her removed by the police.
>>
>> TLLT
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Flatline <flatline at hackbloc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree completely with this.  Calling the cops unnecessarily does a
>>> FUCK of a lot more to make noisebridge an unsafe space than having a few
>>> wingnuts around. It makes many people feel unsafe in the space including
>>> myself.  Say what you want about Cynthia (and believe me I have plenty
>>> to say) she never made me feel unsafe.  This action does.
>>>
>>> Flatline
>>> http://www.hackbloc.org
>>>
>>> On 05/03/2012 03:21 PM, Jake wrote:
>>> > Say what you want about Cynthia not belonging at noisebridge; she
>>> wasn't
>>> > here to hack, she could be annoying at times.
>>> >
>>> > The fact is that the kicking out of cynthia has been a huge drama fest
>>> and
>>> > makes noisebridge look bad.  I think it was not worth it.
>>> >
>>> > My friend Stan who has been hacking since before most of us were born
>>> > resembles cynthia in some ways;  an old person who enjoys talking and
>>> > cooking more than hacking.  He is also the admin of the SPAZ server.
>>>  He
>>> > comes to noisebridge and sometimes cooks gourmet food for everyone.
>>> >
>>> > He has been involved and witness to MANY collectively run spaces, like
>>> the
>>> > Cannery and Project One and a bunch we've never heard of.
>>> >
>>> > And he says this is a BAD SIGN for noisebridge.
>>> >
>>> > Let's pull out of this nose-dive.
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:01:36 -0700
>>> > From: Stan Osborne <stan at ana dot com>
>>> > Subject: NB craziness
>>> >
>>> > Jake,
>>> >
>>> > If this is true, I can not justify supporting NB anymore.  I know
>>> > everything she says about her behavior at NB and her general
>>> cleanliness
>>> > is true.  She is an MD and has at least one science degree, so AFAIK
>>> there
>>> > are many good reasons for her continued presence at NB.  Not being
>>> > financially able to be a full member now seems to have saved me from
>>> > regretting I gave them much, if any money.  IMHO her mental health was
>>> > improving from contact at NB with healthy and intelligent people.
>>> >
>>> > NB now is already falling into one of those collectives where a few
>>> > evil people are working to drive out the rest.  Many collectives
>>> > have withered and failed for reasons such as this incident.
>>> >
>>> > Is there any documentation showing exactly who ganged up on her?
>>> >
>>> > Stan
>>> >
>>> >   | To: Stan Osborne <stan at ana.com>
>>> >   | From: cynthia lee <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com>
>>> >   | Subject: Re: when u gonna show?
>>> >   | Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:52:57 -0700
>>> >   |
>>> >   | Stan, You must not have a current source there...i was kicked out
>>> of
>>> >   | Noisebridge by a band of vigilantes who called the police to say i
>>> was
>>> >   | trespassing and disruptive (apparently for coming in and cleaning
>>> up after
>>> >   | them!) because they really had no substantive complaint (a vague
>>> that I am
>>> >   | smelly, messy, and, get this...loud) they are so vague on the
>>> complaints
>>> >   | that it is suspicious for made -up stuff
>>> >   | I can't be there tomorrow but would like to run into you anyway. I
>>> can
>>> >   | check Internet tomorrow AM and if there is another location I can
>>> see u at,
>>> >   | let me know
>>> >   |
>>> >   | thank you for all the assistance and friendliness u have shown me
>>> >   |
>>> >   | --
>>> >   | Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
>>> >   | http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
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