[Noisebridge-discuss] Anti-sleepers / Livers at Noisebridge

[Jake]

I am of the opinion that if there are not enough people present at 
noisebridge to evict a sleeper, it is a more productive use of time to 
simply document (and possibly photograph) the sleeper and then use our 
precious time to improve the door camera and lighting arrangement, so that 
we can improve our guest vetting system.

eventually I look forward to improving the door-code system so that codes 
can be programed in for certain periods of time, after which they expire. 
That way, any event at noisebridge can include a door code which the 
organizer of the event enables at the beginning of the event with a set 
lifetime.

If the thefts and sleeping continue and we want to take it a step further, 
i suggest we make it so that a code is required to buzz the door open, 
whether you're doing it from the top of the stairs or from your computer.

-jake

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Danny O'Brien wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> It's true that waking someone up and asking them to leave can be difficult
>> if it's just you.  That's why I always rally two or more people to join me
>> before approaching a sleeper.  Waking up to find three people looking at you
>> tends to work very well in precluding any argument.
>>
>> It's much much easier to rally a couple of people to help you before you
>> wake the person up than after.  And realistically, if you can't rally at
>> least one person to join you, it is understandable if you don't try to wake
>> the person up.  If you can photograph them without a flash that might be
>> helpful, and post to the list about finding them, but nobody expects you to
>> be able to get them out by yourself.
>
> Yes, I agree with this. If anyone wants help (or wants to help) with
> this, they can check out (put their name down) here
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Mediation
>
> I'm not often in the space late at night, but I don't mind people
> calling me up if they want some backup from a  vaguely authoritative
> yet reasonable sounding voice on a phone who can explain how
> Noisebridge works, and then turn up within 30 minutes for a veeery
> boring mediation discussion that is usually less fun than either
> successfully being threatening to one person and then going back to
> sleep, or escalating.
>
> Mail me if you want my phone number. The 311 number got disabled
> because it wasn't really working, but we can talk about making it
> better at the meeting tonight.
>
> In general, we could do with a few more people stepping up -- we're
> going through our regular cycle of
> not-really-burned-out-but-perhaps-slightly-toasted regulars, and
> there's enough new cool people around for them to magically develop
> Powers of Apparent Do-Acratic Authority.
>
> d.
>
>>
>> In such cases, the problem needs to be solved by improved technology.  Our
>> subcontractors (rayc) are working on improving the lighting on the door
>> camera, and the noisebridge security team has deleted the door code which
>> was being used by the most people.  So hopefully, sleepers and livers will
>> be pressing the door button again and we will have the option of ignoring
>> them when we see them on the door camera.
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>
>> Tonight as I was working in the Church, I heard someone snoring. I found
>> that obnoxious asian guy sleeping in the DJ booth. I woke him up and
>> asked him to leave. In the process, I found a guy named Jason sleeping
>> on the couch.
>>
>> I don't like doing this and it got very tense because the asian guy did
>> NOT want to leave. Jason was cool about it. I let Jason slide on
>> Saturday night. I received very little support from the other users.
>> This is not appreciated.
>>
>> If I can't get support from other users for enforcing this rule, then I
>> won't do it. I don't like doing it and I was very respectful. I can't
>> say the respect was reciprocated. The word "Fight" was mentioned.
>>
>> I told them to come back on Tuesday night if they wanted to appeal my
>> actions. It is my understanding that the Asian guy has already been
>> banned for making homophobic comments, but it's conjecture.
>>
>> I also informed Martin that any drunkness or sleeping will be tolerated
>> by me, no matter how much I like him. I treated him like an adult and a
>> friend and he was receptive. I told him that his name may arise in the
>> Tues. meeting. He is considering attending the meeting or simply taking
>> a sabbatical for a week or two.
>>
>> Please, if the collective wants the sleeping rule enforced then they
>> should support the person that enforces it. I always give people
>> multiple chances and need help when I draw the line.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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