[Noisebridge-discuss] Money @ NB
Ever Falling
everfalling at gmail.com
Wed Oct 3 08:04:42 UTC 2012
So would the answer to Toms question be "While the organization itself is
non-profit anyone is free to host for-profit events and services within the
space so long as the membership deems it excellent." ?
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> There is a huge difference between what Noisebridge does as an entity
> (hardly anything but rent the space and pay for utilities), and what
> individuals or other entities do within the space Noisebridge rents and
> manages (everything else). The non-profit, public charity restrictions
> only apply to Noisebridge the entity, not to others' activities within it.
>
> Noisebridge the entity really only requires that others' activities within
> it are not illegal or against the lease. The community in general decides
> what its guidelines are for other activities within the space. We have so
> far codified this as "Be excellent to each other" with some few specifics
> on what excellence means, such as not using the space as your personal home.
>
> IOW, Mitch, Ever Falling, me, or anyone else is permitted by Noisebridge
> to engage in any legal commerce we want. If someone in the community feels
> this commerce, or anything else, is unexcellent, the usual suggestions of
> talk-to-the-person or bring-it-up-at-a-meeting apply.
>
> Rachel1.0
>
>
> On 10/3/12 12:34 AM, Ever Falling wrote:
>
>> My answer was based off of this page:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/**wiki/Noisebridge_Vision<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Vision>which states
>>
>> >Noisebridge is an educational non-profit corporation, 501(c)3 public
>> charity status.
>>
>> Is this not still relevant? Has it changed since last i checked and the
>> wiki hasn't been updated?
>>
>> I think the Circuit Hacking Monday events are separate from Noisebridge
>> as an organization. While it's certainly held in the space and by one of
>> the co-founders (when he's available to run it otherwise someone else
>> runs it) I think it's as much a hosted event much like the five minutes
>> of fame or other such programs set up by individuals. But that brings up
>> an interesting point. If Circuit Hacking Mondays IS part of the
>> Noisebridge organization and Mitch is personally profiting from it then
>> does Noisebridge still qualify for said non-profit status? I'm not sure
>> how that all works.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com
>> <mailto:snailtsunami at gmail.com**>> wrote:
>>
>> AHMIGOD I LOVE CUP AND CAKES!! I buy so many cupcakes it's not even
>> funny.
>>
>> Since when did they start accepting bitcoin, and why was the mailing
>> list not informed sooner? :D
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Tom Longson (nym) <tomlong at gmail.com
>> <mailto:tomlong at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > LOL... sorry Cups and Cakes has no plans to put a cupcake vending
>> machine in
>> > Noisebridge. That's my wife's business :-)
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tom Longson
>> >
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>> > CUPCAKES!! http://www.cupsandcakesbakery.**com/<http://www.cupsandcakesbakery.com/>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Brink of Complexity
>> <brink.0x3f at gmail.com <mailto:brink.0x3f at gmail.com>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Holy Shit, I fucking *love* CUPCAKES!!!
>> >>
>> >> Can we get cupcakes in a vending machine too?!
>> >>
>> >> - Brink
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Tom Longson (nym) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Be Excellent" is a great way to look at it. I fully support
>> Mitch's kits,
>> >> but that's probably because he's not making money hand over
>> fist, and
>> >> providing a very cool class as well. The following are a few
>> examples that
>> >> may have already come up in some way or another:
>> >>
>> >> * Buying kits from Mitch
>> >> * Hosting a paid event at NB
>> >> * Selling food (think hot dog stand)
>> >> * Selling DVDs
>> >> * Selling digital goods at NB (think amazon gift cards)
>> >> * Selling Muni Cards
>> >> * Steve mann's pay to sit chair
>> >> * Product donations as a form of marketing (think Red Bull)
>> >>
>> >> Ultimately, I think that it is not excellent to use the
>> noisebridge space
>> >> to the detriment of others- a hot dog stand might keep people
>> happily fed,
>> >> but it uses real estate, and not everyone might want a guy
>> hanging out
>> >> hawking dogs.
>> >>
>> >> OTOH, I would fully support a vending machine that sells Mitch's
>> kits, and
>> >> other hacked items.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Tom Longson
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> CUPCAKES!! http://www.cupsandcakesbakery.**com/<http://www.cupsandcakesbakery.com/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:39 PM, John Withers
>> <jwithers at reddagger.org <mailto:jwithers at reddagger.org**>>
>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Burning man (up until now, maybe depending on if the handover
>> to their
>> >>> nifty new non-profit entity really works out) isn't a
>> non-profit. They
>> >>> just don't let anyone but burning man exchange money at the
>> event.
>> >>>
>> >>> And being a non-profit doesn't mean you can't have commerce
>> happen. It
>> >>> just means you are a non-profit. The nb community might be
>> choosing to
>> >>> make it a commerce free environment, I dunno. But in my limited
>> >>> experience if they have done that it isn't all that strictly
>> enforced,
>> >>> since I and others have openly bought and sold various hackish
>> goods on
>> >>> small scales in there, group orders on things like entropy
>> generating
>> >>> sticks come to mind.
>> >>>
>> >>> j
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 11:25 -0700, Mark Ellis wrote:
>> >>> > Yes Noisebridge is a non-profit organization.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from SPACE!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, "Tom Longson (nym)"
>> <tomlong at gmail.com <mailto:tomlong at gmail.com>>
>>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Is Noisebridge a "non-commercial" zone like burning man?
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Curious,
>> >>> > > nym
>> >>> > > _
>> >>>
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