[Noisebridge-discuss] Money @ NB

Wed Oct 3 07:45:47 UTC 2012

There is a huge difference between what Noisebridge does as an entity 
(hardly anything but rent the space and pay for utilities), and what 
individuals or other entities do within the space Noisebridge rents and 
manages (everything else).  The non-profit, public charity restrictions 
only apply to Noisebridge the entity, not to others' activities within it.

Noisebridge the entity really only requires that others' activities 
within it are not illegal or against the lease.  The community in 
general decides what its guidelines are for other activities within the 
space.  We have so far codified this as "Be excellent to each other" 
with some few specifics on what excellence means, such as not using the 
space as your personal home.

IOW, Mitch, Ever Falling, me, or anyone else is permitted by Noisebridge 
to engage in any legal commerce we want.  If someone in the community 
feels this commerce, or anything else, is unexcellent, the usual 
suggestions of talk-to-the-person or bring-it-up-at-a-meeting apply.

Rachel1.0

On 10/3/12 12:34 AM, Ever Falling wrote:
> My answer was based off of this page:
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Vision which states
>
>  >Noisebridge is an educational non-profit corporation, 501(c)3 public
> charity status.
>
> Is this not still relevant? Has it changed since last i checked and the
> wiki hasn't been updated?
>
> I think the Circuit Hacking Monday events are separate from Noisebridge
> as an organization. While it's certainly held in the space and by one of
> the co-founders (when he's available to run it otherwise someone else
> runs it) I think it's as much a hosted event much like the five minutes
> of fame or other such programs set up by individuals. But that brings up
> an interesting point. If Circuit Hacking Mondays IS part of the
> Noisebridge organization and Mitch is personally profiting from it then
> does Noisebridge still qualify for said non-profit status? I'm not sure
> how that all works.
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com
> <mailto:snailtsunami at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     AHMIGOD I LOVE CUP AND CAKES!! I buy so many cupcakes it's not even
>     funny.
>
>     Since when did they start accepting bitcoin, and why was the mailing
>     list not informed sooner? :D
>
>     On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Tom Longson (nym) <tomlong at gmail.com
>     <mailto:tomlong at gmail.com>> wrote:
>      > LOL... sorry Cups and Cakes has no plans to put a cupcake vending
>     machine in
>      > Noisebridge. That's my wife's business :-)
>      >
>      > Cheers,
>      > Tom Longson
>      >
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      > CUPCAKES!! http://www.cupsandcakesbakery.com/
>      >
>      >
>      > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Brink of Complexity
>     <brink.0x3f at gmail.com <mailto:brink.0x3f at gmail.com>>
>      > wrote:
>      >>
>      >> Holy Shit, I fucking *love* CUPCAKES!!!
>      >>
>      >> Can we get cupcakes in a vending machine too?!
>      >>
>      >> - Brink
>      >>
>      >>
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>      >>
>      >>
>      >> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Tom Longson (nym) wrote:
>      >>
>      >> "Be Excellent" is a great way to look at it. I fully support
>     Mitch's kits,
>      >> but that's probably because he's not making money hand over
>     fist, and
>      >> providing a very cool class as well. The following are a few
>     examples that
>      >> may have already come up in some way or another:
>      >>
>      >> * Buying kits from Mitch
>      >> * Hosting a paid event at NB
>      >> * Selling food (think hot dog stand)
>      >> * Selling DVDs
>      >> * Selling digital goods at NB (think amazon gift cards)
>      >> * Selling Muni Cards
>      >> * Steve mann's pay to sit chair
>      >> * Product donations as a form of marketing (think Red Bull)
>      >>
>      >> Ultimately, I think that it is not excellent to use the
>     noisebridge space
>      >> to the detriment of others- a hot dog stand might keep people
>     happily fed,
>      >> but it uses real estate, and not everyone might want a guy
>     hanging out
>      >> hawking dogs.
>      >>
>      >> OTOH, I would fully support a vending machine that sells Mitch's
>     kits, and
>      >> other hacked items.
>      >>
>      >> Cheers,
>      >> Tom Longson
>      >>
>      >>
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>      >> CUPCAKES!! http://www.cupsandcakesbakery.com/
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:39 PM, John Withers
>     <jwithers at reddagger.org <mailto:jwithers at reddagger.org>>
>      >> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> Burning man (up until now, maybe depending on if the handover
>     to their
>      >>> nifty new non-profit entity really works out) isn't a
>     non-profit. They
>      >>> just don't let anyone but burning man exchange money at the event.
>      >>>
>      >>> And being a non-profit doesn't mean you can't have commerce
>     happen. It
>      >>> just means you are a non-profit. The nb community might be
>     choosing to
>      >>> make it a commerce free environment, I dunno. But in my limited
>      >>> experience if they have done that it isn't all that strictly
>     enforced,
>      >>> since I and others have openly bought and sold various hackish
>     goods on
>      >>> small scales in there, group orders on things like entropy
>     generating
>      >>> sticks come to mind.
>      >>>
>      >>> j
>      >>>
>      >>> On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 11:25 -0700, Mark Ellis wrote:
>      >>> > Yes Noisebridge is a non-profit organization.
>      >>> >
>      >>> > Sent from SPACE!
>      >>> >
>      >>> > On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, "Tom Longson (nym)"
>     <tomlong at gmail.com <mailto:tomlong at gmail.com>>
>      >>> > wrote:
>      >>> >
>      >>> > > Is Noisebridge a "non-commercial" zone like burning man?
>      >>> > >
>      >>> > > Curious,
>      >>> > > nym
>      >>> > > _
>      >>>
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