[Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements

[Mitchel McAllister]

The point I want to get across is that if there is criteria to be applied, then everyone involved needs to know what that criteria is.

I'm currently in the space. I'm not alone here, there have been 8 or more people here at one time. Yet when the buzzer goes off, I am the only person to let people in. And I am near the back of the space right now.

I can think of a few people I don't want to let in, because of the melodrama they bring, or the fact they refuse to clean up after themselves, etc. I certainly don't want to be responsible for their behavior.

Yet, if I apply that criteria, then I have made a decision that they have nothing to contribute. I have made the decision that they don't belong here. I'm not comfortable with making those kinds of determinations, especially regarding people I have never met.

Here's another point: for every person on this list, there is almost certainly at least one other person on the list that dislikes them or wishes they wouldn't come to the space. As Erik said last night, if you're not pissing off at least one person, you aren't trying. It's the nature of personalities.

The concept of controlling access to the space is, on the face of it, not objectionable. However, when we get down to cases and reality, then it begins to break down.

- Reverend Mik
www.prismandink.com


--- On Tue, 10/9/12, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:

From: Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements
To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 2:41 PM

Mik, yeah, your own criteria.  If someone asks to be let in, and you choose to let them in, this means you found them acceptable by whatever criteria you think is good.  If you don't think they are appropriate for NB, don't let them in.  Someone else may have a different opinion, and then the other person may choose to let them in.  This does in fact end up as people in the space applying "their own criteria in an arbitrary manner".  It's an indication that the system is working.  Excessive consistency is an indication that it's not.

Seriously there is *NO* official policy of any kind at NB.  "Be Excellent" is the only guideline.  Use your own judgment, consider other people's points of view, apply your brain.  Be the kind of person you want everyone else to be.  This is not how the world in general works, true; but shouldn't it?

Rachel1.0

On 10/9/12 2:37 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Mitchel McAllister
> <xonimmortal at yahoo.com <mailto:xonimmortal at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
>     'm interested in hearing what the criteria for "acceptable" users is.
> 
> 
> Unacceptable:  Cretins who steal stuff and ruin it for the rest of us.
> 
> Acceptable:  People who don't.
> 
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