[Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements

[Danny O'Brien]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>wrote:

> The point I want to get across is that if there is criteria to be applied,
> then everyone involved needs to know what that criteria is.
>
> I'm currently in the space. I'm not alone here, there have been 8 or more
> people here at one time. Yet when the buzzer goes off, I am the only person
> to let people in. And I am near the back of the space right now.
>

Ask the other people to let people in. Explain how to give a tour, and how
they are responsible for who they let in.


>
> I can think of a few people I don't want to let in, because of the
> melodrama they bring, or the fact they refuse to clean up after themselves,
> etc. I certainly don't want to be responsible for their behavior.
>
> Yet, if I apply that criteria, then I have made a decision that they have
> nothing to contribute. I have made the decision that they don't belong
> here. I'm not comfortable with making those kinds of determinations,
> especially regarding people I have never met.
>

If you're not comfortable making those decisions, you may want to work
somewhere that allows you to deputise these decisions to others. I'm afraid
there's no-one else but you, and whoever you wish to co-operate with. The
consequences of your decision also hang upon you.


>
> Here's another point: for every person on this list, there is almost
> certainly at least one other person on the list that dislikes them or
> wishes they wouldn't come to the space. As Erik said last night, if you're
> not pissing off at least one person, you aren't trying. It's the nature of
> personalities.
>
> The concept of controlling access to the space is, on the face of it, not
> objectionable. However, when we get down to cases and reality, then it
> begins to break down.
>

On the contrary, that's when we can stop having arguments about imaginary
situations or creating pre-emptive rules, and start discussing concrete
reality.

d.


>
> - Reverend Mik
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>
> --- On *Tue, 10/9/12, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] access control improvements
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 2:41 PM
>
>
> Mik, yeah, your own criteria.  If someone asks to be let in, and you
> choose to let them in, this means you found them acceptable by whatever
> criteria you think is good.  If you don't think they are appropriate for
> NB, don't let them in.  Someone else may have a different opinion, and then
> the other person may choose to let them in.  This does in fact end up as
> people in the space applying "their own criteria in an arbitrary manner".
> It's an indication that the system is working.  Excessive consistency is an
> indication that it's not.
>
> Seriously there is *NO* official policy of any kind at NB.  "Be Excellent"
> is the only guideline.  Use your own judgment, consider other people's
> points of view, apply your brain.  Be the kind of person you want everyone
> else to be.  This is not how the world in general works, true; but
> shouldn't it?
>
> Rachel1.0
>
> On 10/9/12 2:37 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Mitchel McAllister
> > <xonimmortal at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=xonimmortal@yahoo.com><mailto:
> xonimmortal at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=xonimmortal@yahoo.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     'm interested in hearing what the criteria for "acceptable" users is.
> >
> >
> > Unacceptable:  Cretins who steal stuff and ruin it for the rest of us.
> >
> > Acceptable:  People who don't.
> >
> >
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