[Noisebridge-discuss] Use of Nitrous Oxide in the space on Sunday night

[Liz Henry]

OK, I'm sorry I misinterpreted the original complaints to involve you
Rubin, I still don't see why people had to act like this in the space:

"People act very differently when they are strung out, and people did
act differently on Sunday.  People responded to me in a very
confrontational and aggressive/mocking way which I don't believe would
have happened had those people been sober."  (- Zach)

It sounds like everything we have been fighting to avoid and prevent in
use of the space and in how people should behave to each other.   My
point about Caltrain was that though I am extremely assertive I don't
feel safe opposing people who are fucked up or drunk and rowdy.

So *whoever it was*  participating in that kind of behavior, I'd like to
ask that you acknowledge it wasn't good, and not do that.  Okay?  And
maybe do some mediation with Zach, if he will agree.

- Liz


On 10/11/12 6:12 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:
> Liz Henry wrote, On 2012-10-11 17:37:
>> But, when it comes to acting in ways that don't
>> respect other which, Rubin and Zeph and whoever else, it sounds like you
>> were doing, .... what is the point?  It is sophomoric to argue that
>> something Zach did 2 years ago might have bothered you. If it did, did
>> you say so, ever?
> 
> Excuse me? I don't believe anyone has pointed a finger at me in the last
> 24 hours (at least not over this mailing list) about how my actions in
> the space were not respecting others. I'm simply adding in my
> observations from the night, which also include a statement about how,
> yes people were loud and kind of obnoxious in the space.
> 
> If someone has a problem with how I act in the space, let's totally talk
> about it, but as far as I can tell now one has come up to either this
> community or me personally to let me know that how I acted at
> Noisebridge on Sunday night was not positive. I was busy making tinfoil
> hats, photographing the going ons, and chatting with friends and fellow
> hackers about how Noisebridge is awfully good at failing.
> 
> This thread is officially ironic if you think about that last bit.
> 
>> I was just on Caltrain during the weekend of the
>> Giants game and the train was full of drunk guys acting aggro and
>> harassing all the women, like a disgusting frat house, and it was scary
>> and horrible even in broad daylight. Why do you think you can hang out
>> at Noisebridge and act like that, when you'd probably throw some random
>> other person out for acting that way?
> 
> Woah woah woah. I don't think anyone said anything about folks at
> Noisebridge on the night in question...
> 
> * Acting agro
> * Harassing all the women
> * Acting as if in a disgusting frat house
> * Being scary and horrible
> 
> Nor has anyone said in this thread people at Noisebridge should be
> allowed to existing in the space and act that way. I'm sorry you had an
> awful Caltrain experience (it happened enough to me that I started
> avoiding Giants game trains).
> 
> I'm not sure why you feel a Sunday night at Noisebridge was apparently a
> unwieldy wild sexist frat party, but I don't believe you were there nor
> has anyone posted anything near resembling such such statements about
> the eve or how these actions you've just listed off should be accepted
> at Noisebridge. Please don't add falls information to a discussion that
> should really be happening in person and not over the trollable internet.
> 
> I'm kind of done responding to this thread, as apparently trying to help
> out with perspective and observation isn't helpful and some how has
> degraded my day into defending myself from false accusations. Thanks.
> 


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